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mircea_popescu: even if what you end up writing down is 100% exactly identical to the original, nevertheless IT IS STILL A REWRITE, especially if the original is heathen -- as per "idiots may not have ideas" doctrine. http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/#selection-145.129-145.542 and all that.
mircea_popescu: nor does such a thing as "empty buffer" truly exist, nor is it any kind of substantial distinction, and so on.
asciilifeform: possibly puzzled re what counts as 'rewrite' tho
mircea_popescu: to quote, \"As usual, the forum quickly pointed me in the right direction - thank you ave1! - namely looking under the hood of course, in this case GNAT's own hood, the Systems.CRC32 package. Still, this package makes a whole dance of eating one single character at a time since it is written precisely to support the stream monstrosity on top rather than to support the user with what they might indeed need. Happily though, CRC
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862397 << because cut-and-paste was never contemplated as a possible alternative, it was read-and-rewrite. because moving from one tree to another is exactly translation, one must bear in mind context and only implement ~the algo~. consider how we got crc32 -- we did NOT cut-and-paste from anywhere. diana RE WROTE IT! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 16:16 asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc mircea_popescu in particular specifically hates libs-as-separate-trees, insists that proggy oughta include errything it eats. ( i dun recall whether he answered why it should not also then include the os and compiler also in same genesis, but i'ma leave thread alone for nao)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862394 << that's the discussion as to how "of course everything eventually merges into single tree". ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 15:55 diana_coman: as it is, it will be a .vpatch after the lookup implementation - so linear sequence rather than alternative; you might want to branch the tree instead from *before* the lookup implementation so that your div version is effectively alternative branch
trinque: not blocked on anything afaik, improvements to vtools can come in as another patch for the ebuild tree
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma switch to issuing cuntoo for new pilot rk folx as soon as trinque is finished birthing it
asciilifeform: sorta makes the thread redundant, as diana_coman pointed out, you can still use fixed receivers.
mircea_popescu: in fact, this is precisely what you're objecting to, "why should kerosene bottle have a slightly taller red cap, should have exact same cap as water bottle!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no such thing as label in context.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862213 << im not entertaining the nonsense. will not make different packets of very strictly disjunct content same size to humor software engineer naivitees masquerading as prime principles. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( from same place as ~always )
asciilifeform: plenty of scamola artists who supposedly catalogue nodes, but all with 9000 seekrit filters, and present liquishit as if it were noad
asciilifeform: the heathen node-viewing www's systematically lie, e.g. conceal 'too old' clients , present fucking pseudos as if they were actual nodes, and commit other war crimes
phf: i suspect you might discover it to be same kind of situation as tinyscheme
phf: it's a compatability layer between lisp machines, and as such provides a minimum of coverage of common functionality.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 00:17 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862183 << no, i don't use portability packages in my own code (they are the hole through which the darkness comes), and when something pulls it as a dependency, it comes from quicklisp
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862183 << no, i don't use portability packages in my own code (they are the hole through which the darkness comes), and when something pulls it as a dependency, it comes from quicklisp ☝︎☟︎
lobbes: for the time being, the legacy auctionbot (lobbesbot's !Qauction) will remain up and running as well
BingoBoingo: billymg: With mp-wp the three most common sources of headbanging are: file and directory permissions, .htaccess (if running apache), and pressing into a populated direction (As in you press, aren't sure anything happened and press again into the output directory without cleansing it; prevalence of this one depends on particular v-tron used))
billymg: trinque: thanks for the tip about custom ebuilds. was able to do a local ebuild of the libmcrypt dep by taking what was in upstream and just changing the EAPI version to 6. installed fine, and then php-5.6.38 went fine as well
asciilifeform: this is prolly as far as the analogy goes, so i'ma leave it there.
asciilifeform: and notably, by some accounts the 'distribute the mass' gizmo did not actually work very well, hence why the thing was eventually scrapped. ( and not because 'usa asked eltsin nicely', as was the popular legend at the time )
ave1: sorry p3 touches the A as it is after p1
ave1: well, if I have file A and B, and p1 touches A and B, and p2 touches A in the same way as p1 but B differently
ave1: with the manifest as we have now and no way to automatically merge an alternative (i.e. having more than one possible ancestor)
ave1: hey, I was just thinking the same thing offline, so yes I think the new method is sane as it preserves authorship and no magic alternative could be inserted somewhere halfway the tree.
asciilifeform: and instead each variant is a thing that its author is forced to actually test as-written.
asciilifeform: the diff was that the history was preserved, as opposed to painted over with cut&paste.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu specifically barfed , tho, and nobody any moar does this. so for nao yer stuck with cut&pasteism, as i understand.
ave1: as for an alternative branch; http://ave1.org/code/eucrypt/eucrypt_crc32_divtronic.vpatch.ave1.sig and http://ave1.org/code/eucrypt/eucrypt_crc32_divtronic.vpatch.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc mircea_popescu in particular specifically hates libs-as-separate-trees, insists that proggy oughta include errything it eats. ( i dun recall whether he answered why it should not also then include the os and compiler also in same genesis, but i'ma leave thread alone for nao) ☟︎
asciilifeform: concretely : ave1 releases crc32 as standalone staticable lib, like my udp. it comes with 2 pressable leaves, 'tabletronic' and 'divtronic'. you can press either and use in e.g. euloratron when building.
diana_coman: hm, perhaps being a reference implementation it makes sense to remain as branch there and otherwise the tree continues along the main line (not reference)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the way i understand 'v branching as civilized replacement for #ifdefism', the branches unavoidably gotta get reground whenever the whole tree is considered stable (i.e. no further changes likely to trunk)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 15:55 diana_coman: as it is, it will be a .vpatch after the lookup implementation - so linear sequence rather than alternative; you might want to branch the tree instead from *before* the lookup implementation so that your div version is effectively alternative branch
ave1: yes, I see! I will try that too. I have no idea how it could automatically resolve (i.e. How could patch that has your original patch as it's parent ever work on top of this one)
diana_coman: as it is, it will be a .vpatch after the lookup implementation - so linear sequence rather than alternative; you might want to branch the tree instead from *before* the lookup implementation so that your div version is effectively alternative branch ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862284 << as i understand, you'll need 2 listeners, on separate ports, if you want'em to go to separate processes, regardless of size setting , aha ☝︎
asciilifeform: given as it seems that erry new user wants'em
asciilifeform: but in the long term, the pill will have to be cuntoo ( which has permanent trinque repo, unaffected by enemy ) ; conventional gentoo should already today be thought of as 'frozen', emerge cannot be relied to work
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: Sent 1 hour and 25 minutes ago: <lobbes> bot's back. Once auctionbot is finished I will go back and redo the !Qlater tell stuff to sit on top of logbot as well (right now, this too is sitting on an old heathen bot that doesn't auto-authenticate with NickServ after fleanode disconnect shenanigans)
billymg: and even that can't be safely emerged as it would require an update to portage http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZYgae/?raw=true
lobbes: !Qlater tell asciilifeform bot's back. Once auctionbot is finished I will go back and redo the "!Qlater tell" stuff to sit on top of logbot as well (right now, this too is sitting on an old heathen bot that doesn't auto-authenticate with NickServ after fleanode disconnect shenanigans)
ave1: Unfortunately is does not read as a straight long division anymore. But copying of the input array is avoided and
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 01:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862164 << yes ; cuz all 1470s go to one process and all 1472s go to a different one. eventually as a scalability thing could even go to diff box altogether. there's not so muchrelation between the two types.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862203 -> the point as I see it is precisely that physically there actually is only ONE type anyway so any different types/sizes is in fact a higher level filtering no matter what (i.e. having 2 different processes each with its own size doesn't mean that each will actually get only the size it wants) ☝︎
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862205 -> neither! it's 1472, not 14721 and it's octets not bits as per: http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#selection-105.0-105.29 and http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#selection-76.15-125.25 ☝︎
asciilifeform: Mocky: ok. so, observe, i dun record or return lengths. all length are either $full ( which i tentatively had set to 512, pre-rftming) or invalid ( may as well 0 )
asciilifeform: Mocky: i was describing why i wrote it as i did.
asciilifeform: i dun think i can say anyffing else to make this point clearer, it's imho as screamingly obvious as 2+2, if you take the time to rtfm. so i'ma leave it at this.
Mocky: the important point being that as a matter of policy, perpetuating smaller packet sizes is a bad idea
Mocky: so long as you can assume one tru packet size, you can get some ada benefits + extra simplicity, that you don't get otherwise, no?
asciilifeform: diana_coman has a 'generic' ver, a kind of ada cheat i suggested ; but it has minus of preventing restriction encapsulation, as well as inevitably moar complex receiver (mine handles one size and one size only)
asciilifeform: as imho is proper, i.e. max frame size.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862164 << yes ; cuz all 1470s go to one process and all 1472s go to a different one. eventually as a scalability thing could even go to diff box altogether. there's not so muchrelation between the two types. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: hilariously, bug (if can call it that) reported as early as 2008, and... 0 published fix to either lib
mircea_popescu: i mean, as in the celebrated case of that caleb fucktard of http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/#selection-127.158-135.403 fame -- i guarantee you the 22 complaints are 90%+ of the femwatchers, which are 90%+ of the total watchers.
asciilifeform: all wankery similarly 'delicate', hates reality as balloon hates pin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey there's a reason wai the armenians ate as much lead as they did
mircea_popescu: anyway, author of above vomit is NOT anglo, but ~armenian~. in his own words, "while for an Armenian, who soon realises that his nationality is considered as something of a _faux pas_, there are none of these things, and he is entirely lost in the wilderness, for there is no solid background to his existence in another's country; and, as the days lengthen out and he grows tired of walking in the Green Park, he comes to wonder
mircea_popescu: ove breaks down all barriers between man and woman; that love is a vase of iron, unbreakable, and not, as it is, a vase of the most delicate and brittle pottery, to be broken to pieces by the least touch of a careless hand. They seem to think that the state of love stands at the end of a great striving; they do not realise that it is only the beginning, and that the striving must never cease, for without striving there is no
mircea_popescu: "We sat on chairs in the sun, and after we had been silent a long while, she began to do what women will never cease doing, so wise men say, as long as men say they love them, to define what the love of a man meant to a woman, and to explain the love of a man. She said that that man was wise who had said that love was like religion, and must be done well or not at all, but that she had never yet found in any man sincere love
trinque: btw no insult meant to esthlos; we'll get an ebuild in there for his vtron as well, but he lacks a differ, and thus it's not a full v
asciilifeform: trinque: this will rock. and incidentally i'ma be baking that sunlight lappy next wk, and intend to set it up as a cuntoo box with whatever bleeding edge you come out with
mircea_popescu: fwiw i simply discard lots and lots and lots of "705babygirl 23F sub 1m What?" ; they come in at the rate of a few / minute, and who the fuck cares anyway. "think of it as an intelligence test -- that you failed", right.
mircea_popescu: but the points stand : equalitarianism and relativism ARE self-defeating ; there's nothing substantial to distinguish any fetish from any other fetish, and "niggers are people too" or "i am woman hear me roar" just as fetish and identically as fetish to furries or trannies.
mircea_popescu: as slavegirl observes, "im sure the entirety of fetlife is offended!"
mircea_popescu: exactly same thing as gavin "need more blocks" or buffett "taxes too low" etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see ipv6 as , at least in part, a deliberate scheme to make p2p ~impossible.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i noted as much ( re 'birthday' ), but did not bother to calculate the actual , aha
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 16:24 asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. )
asciilifeform: then you get an 'adult' ipv4 to do as you please.
mircea_popescu: last september, computer ~= bong. guarantees nothing besides "lots of unearned income". as a result, wow is NOT similar to heroes 2
mircea_popescu: "our idiocy works as proven by all the works of those who hated us, which we claim for ourselves because hey, what's in a claim."
asciilifeform: so when 'poet' came to be seen, largely correctly, as yet another species of urban refuse, living on rubbish like new world raccoon, then yes despised, mega-surprise
mircea_popescu: meanwhile tb, the archetipal european poet characteristic, was despised among the raiding population as the degenerative disease of the bull penis suckers.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Congrats as well on finding help girl
mircea_popescu: this is pious fraud. the pantsuit subhuman has been just as overwhelmed, and overwhelmed in the exact same ways expressed in the exact same terms since cato the elder.
mircea_popescu: peasant will come up with an excuse as to why his football team winning occasionally means he gets free beer and samba si.
mircea_popescu: let's approach it from this filum : in those societies which are "uncivilised", which is to say not yet rotten, the discussion of superlative achievement, as the hero (always male, of course, but let's leave that aside) is a plenitude. he can shoot the bow if the bow is known AND ride if the horse is known AND sail or raft or canoe AND sing if they have music AND AND AND
asciilifeform: afaik errybody saw their particular jumper setting as the One Troo way
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: errybody 'elects maculae', it aint as if raider-cannibal is exempt somehow from thermodynamics, still gotta find somebody to eat.
mircea_popescu: ie, bombed london and killed as many caucasus "peasants" as could get hands on.
mircea_popescu: i would say that the best way to represent socialism, from early xtian communism to today's social media solipsism, is as a sort of meningitis.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861545 << same way unwashed idiots enable plague. but i mean, EXACT same way. they're the god of the gaps as far as evil is concerned. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: coffee, as the case may be.
mircea_popescu: how do you mean "works just as well" ? The pg_trgm module provides functions and operators for determining the similarity of ASCII alphanumeric text based on trigram matching, as well as index operator classes that support fast searching for similar strings. << seems eminently based on birthday problem, "how many different permutations of 60 characters can there be"
asciilifeform: worx just as well
asciilifeform: i search my www, small as it is, surprisingly often. and i like that i neither have to use google or unsheath the launch codes, to do it.
mircea_popescu: i'll dump "search engine" as a category, same bit bucket "email" as a concept went, np.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr asciilifeform doesn't see ddg as somehow less unsavoury than google et al. if it were baked by honest folx it wouldn't https.
asciilifeform: lol i only read as far as the cert
asciilifeform: loox to be largely same as mircea_popescu's
mircea_popescu: and it's about as geek as your average yuppie, also!
mircea_popescu: in other wtf : does https://duckduckgo.com/?q=us! redirect to some weird website for anyone ? because wtf is going on here, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=us works as expected.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "i don't think you know what those words mean", "I’m a geek person and I’m kinda nerd as well. I’m studying in human sciences and I’m a dancer. Also, I'm a young mom of a sweet lil girl who is 2 years old! :3"