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the20year: If
this is all
theoretical
then, just stock up on ammo if you live in
the US , or reloading components
mircea_popescu: ic exactions
to
the increase of
their private fortunes and made
the
tax indictions
their opportunity for plunder?"
mircea_popescu: " So you find men passing over everywhere, now
to
the Goths, now
to
the Bagaudae, or whatever other barbarians have established
their power anywhere ... We call
those men rebels and utterly abandoned, whom we ourselves have forced into crime. For by what other causes were
they made Bagaudae save by our unjust acts,
the wicked decisions of
the magistrates,
the proscription and extortion of
those who have
turned
the publ
mircea_popescu: "Although
these men differ in customs and language from
those with whom
they have
taken refuge, and are unaccustomed
too, if I may say so,
to
the nauseous odor of
the bodies and clothing of
the barbarians, yet
they prefer
the strange life
they find
there
to
the injustice rife among
the Romans."
mircea_popescu: ha, since i was going
through old
tomes, look what a gem i found :
the20year: asciilifeform: $50 will get you enough priming compound
to load 10,000 rounds of ammunition
the20year: But remember, during WW2 most ammo in
the USSR was being made by giving children
the
tools
to do it
the20year: Well, if you want infinite,
then just make your own cases
the20year: Primers are easy
to make,
the chemical composition is 150 years old
the20year: Casings can last over 50
times if you download
the ammo, which you will be doing anyway with homemade powder
the20year: Plus i'm not aware of any country
that has made brass cases illegal
mircea_popescu: the20year he has a point
tho, in
the sense of brass casingsd are reusable for a finite number of shots.
the20year: Brass casings are reusable, gunpowder can be made cheaply/effectiely from easy
to procure chemcicals ,
the bullet is
the easiest part itself
to mak
the20year: Think about it ,
the first belt fed machine gun was made in
the late 1800s, do you
think
that
the
technology
to make it has magically disappeared?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ya well
those people also have nil
tactical utility-value.
mircea_popescu: i could make you one within
the hour, and
teach you
to make one in a day
benkay: i am more convinced
than i was an hour ago on
the printable guns
thing
mircea_popescu: it's much easier
to make a crossvbow
than
to print one
the20year: The real use for 3d printed guns (in
the US at least) is
to make ones
that utilize
the homebuilding law so
they're not on paperwork
mircea_popescu: even if you get
them
to shoot safely, you're far far away from
them shooting energetically enough
to count
mircea_popescu: reality may be a complicated place, but
the
tactical utility of printed guns is still purely imaginary.
mircea_popescu: or helmet, who cannot hold at once his bow and shield; or from
the ensigns whose bodies are naked, and who cannot at
the same
time carry a shield and
the colors?
The foot soldier finds
the weight of a cuirass and even of a helmet intolerable.
This is because he is so seldom exercised and rarely puts
them on.
mircea_popescu: ts with
the Goths were often overwhelmed with
their showers of arrows. Nor was
the necessity of obliging
the infantry
to resume
their cuirasses and helmets discovered, notwithstanding such repeated defeats, which brought on
the destruction of so many great cities.
Troops, defenseless and exposed
to all
the weapons of
the enemy, are more disposed
to fly
than fight. What can be expected from a foot-archer without cuirass
mircea_popescu: From
the foundation of
the city
till
the reign of
the Emperor Gratian,
the foot wore cuirasses and helmets. But negligence and sloth having by degrees introduced a
total relaxation of discipline,
the soldiers began
to
think
their armor
too heavy, as
they seldom put it on.
They first requested leave from
the Emperor
to lay aside
the cuirass and afterwards
the helmet. In consequence of
this, our
troops in
their engagemen
the20year: And still want boots on
the ground, so....
the20year: The average soldier carries about 100lbs of gear into battle, so 20lb of armor isn't a big deal.
thus why
the US military is
testing powered armor
the20year: Well, most wear ceramic armor
that's stronger
than AR500, so many do
the20year: Why
the heck would anyone want reactive armor on
their body?
The concussion would kill you when it activated
the20year: It's stupidly easy
to make body armor
that will withstand most conventional rifle ammo, granted it's quite heavy
the20year: Most rifles won't make it
through AR500 steel plate
the20year: Some armor makers do put
their armor on and get shot, i wouldn't due it due
to spall, but some believe
that much in
their product
deadweasel: i'm puncy as hell
today, somebody shoot me already
mircea_popescu: <the20year> But who cares about pre-existing data? Everyone has
to discover for
themselves ,right? <<< qft.
the20year: But who cares about pre-existing data? Everyone has
to discover for
themselves ,right?
the20year: You could do what
the military and FBI does....
deadweasel: watching body armor video
tests can be mesmerizing
deadweasel: i
think we should
test
these
theories. somebody get me some armor, I'll youtube
the experiments per your instructions. Only have 9mm and .40 for
testing
mircea_popescu: people regularly
take kj's
to
the head in most sports.
benkay: all
this fighting
talk is causing
thoughts of chumpatrons based on armor and weapons
mircea_popescu: (which is
the REAL reason for
the move
towards
tasers, not
the feigned desire
to avoid casualties)
mircea_popescu: and
the
thing is, armor has surpassed
this minimum. handheld firearms are not particularly useful
these days
mircea_popescu: consequently,
there's a limit
to how heavy a round can be fired from
the hand
mircea_popescu: the20year in fact,
the kinetic energy of
the bullet is roughly equal
to
the kinetic energy of
the recoil.
mircea_popescu: bulletproof
transparent rigid plastic was available before flexible stuff was.
the20year: asciilifeform: depends on which kind of kevlar vest you're
talking about
the20year: asciilifeform: most current plates use ceramic which disperses
the kenetic energy over a wide area, avoiding blunt
tramua. Small arms fire has an amazingly low amount of kenetic energy compared
to common measurements
the20year: Pretty easy
to make a firearm out of supplies from
tesco
mircea_popescu: benkay amusingly, amlar is easier
to print
than a gun.
benkay: that's not
the use case
though.
the use case is shitty guns for poor people in
the decaying soviet states of america
mircea_popescu: you need something very powerful
to be able
to do anything with it.
mircea_popescu: even if you maange
to print a gun, you will print a useless gun.
mircea_popescu: yes well,
the story is
this :
two robbers with body armor did more damage
to
the city policeman pension and health insurance funds
than would have been
the case if
they just let
them keep
the stolen money.
truffles: appropriated several semi-automatic rifles from a nearby firearms dealer
to help even
the odds. "
truffles: "patrol officers at
the
time were
typically armed with a 9mm or .40 caliber pistol on
their person, with a 12-gauge shotgun available in
their cars. Phillips and Matasareanu carried fully automatic rifles and wore body armor. Since most handgun calibers cannot penetrate body armor, patrol officers had a significant disadvantage until SWAT arrived with equivalent firepower;
they also
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the reference was aramid. it withstood > 1k rounds from .38 and 9mm, as well as single action pump shotguns