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mircea_popescu: (a) The Market Maker will immediately notify the Exchange should observance of the terms of this contract become impossible for the future. Should such notification be received, the Exchange will distribute the Market Maker's deposit to contract holders, in proportion of the number of contracts they hold but not in excess of the implied spot value rounded to the lowest 10. This distribution will constitute the sole rem
lyspooner: so if you choose 5 market makers for the product, each with their own delivery specification, the buyer of the contract faces all of the different mm's
mircea_popescu: (c) The Market Maker will make a deposit of BTC with the Exchange, on the basis of which the Exchange will create a number of X.EUR contracts in the Market Maker's account, by the criterion of the weighted spot price rounded to the lowest 10.
mircea_popescu: yeah, because they deposit to mm.
lyspooner: so mpex will not take responsibility for davout or anyone else's failure to deliver?
mircea_popescu: jurov click all the links!
jurov: we'll have to wait for official announcement with the specs.. or was it done already?
mircea_popescu: (see teh email you just got)
lyspooner: because delivery specifications are made by a single-market maker, this contract will always guaranteed to have a single seller?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the phys delivery is mostly there to keep things honest. unlike all the bucket shops running a soft-settled only "future"
mircea_popescu: lyspooner afaik there's a 5 eur charge per delivery.
mircea_popescu: this obviously being a mm feature, don't expect it to happen for 7.8 eur or some bs
lyspooner: i could bankrupt davout by buying several instances of 1 euro from davout, holding them to expiration and having him wire me 1 eur at as many bank accounts as i have contracts
mircea_popescu: but you can contact davout, and deliver euros to him on bc, which arrangement he may accept
mircea_popescu: at expiration you can either take 1 euro in cash if you go through the delivery process or have it rolled to next month's x.eur
lyspooner: so i buy 1 x.eur, hold it to expiration, and then davout gives me 1 eur
mircea_popescu: <lyspooner> and do i understand the specifications correctly that davout will be responsible for defining delivery details? << within reason and in advance.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you getting a lot of that in -otc these days huh ? i see Azelphur negging people, that's a rarity.
jurov: he prolly means the lot
lyspooner: and do i understand the specifications correctly that davout will be responsible for defining delivery details?
truffles: at the gibble thing..
truffles: lol at that
Apocalyptic: and started creating fake accounts to negrate me
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic lol so what was that all about ?
ASAPCA: guess the party
BDKBDK: your going to learn
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY: with this shit
KINGLILJAYYYYYYY: all these times
ASAPCA: you're going to wish
ASAPCA: now that I got my hands on you
ASAPCA: i swear to fucking god
ASAPCA: 30 times
ASAPCA: are going to get
komododragon: running the late shift tonight again you fucking mut
nubbins`: yeah, i'm officially done with chess for the night
BingoBoingo: I completely forgot the King could take pieces when I went Qd1
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asciilifeform: re: urbit: anyone curious about my answer to the quandary 'so, how the hell /should/ we build a computer' is invited to read:
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Pretty sure moving that Bishop opens you to check...
BingoBoingo: About to pour another one soon.
nubbins`: third time's a charm?
nubbins`: HAHA. thinking > drinking
BingoBoingo: I believe that would be actively castling into check...
nubbins`: hm, that's a good point
BingoBoingo: I don't know that Castling through check is legal...
BingoBoingo: I lose a bunch IRL though. And back when CoinChat was a thing I lost quite a few games there
BingoBoingo: For the night. Career I believe it is 4-0, someone else played a game at a point
nubbins`: well i guess 3-0 all total at this point
nubbins`: they have this vodka that comes in a glass skull here
nubbins`: i think you already have N on f6
benkay: is this the layer on top of the credit card processing system thing?
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BingoBoingo: Sure Do you want me to flip this time?
nubbins`: really it was that whole bishop/knight/queen trade that did me in, i think
nubbins`: thought i'd try stirring up the pot early
BingoBoingo: I have to say e5 was ballsy
asciilifeform: that was simply an answer to the question 'if it catches on, won't someone slip appropriate silicon under it.'
benkay: ah so you object to urbit's low-level immutability
asciilifeform: decreeing that buildings shall have water pipes but no drains would make the lives of construction crews easier, but for some odd reason isn't a popular idea.
benkay: asciilifeform: doesn't shitty code that gets hardware deployed against its performance problems carry more responsibility for that?
asciilifeform: not only that, but it helps to feed memory and disk manufacturers' children!
nubbins`: asciilifeform: quitting something and giving it up are two different things, i guess ;D
benkay: asciilifeform: doesn't immutability also help averagely-talented software teams operate in highly threaded environments?
asciilifeform: author of urbit wrote some pretty good screeds on why he quit academic cs: (http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/07/my-navrozov-moments.html and http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-wrong-with-cs-research.html) and then proceeded to... well, do what he did.
asciilifeform: the proof doesn't tell you anything about your priors being valid
asciilifeform: but 'you can't transition from the informal to the formal by formal means'
asciilifeform: they have this notion that if you constrain the system in various odd and quite unpleasant ways, you will then be able to mathematically prove useful facts about it.
asciilifeform: the whole 'immutability' thing is an outcome of a decades-long acid trip by 'mathematical cs' wankers
benkay: asciilifeform: why is that? do forgive my complete ignorance of the domain...
asciilifeform: urbit (or any other graph-reduction machine with 'immutable data') is exquisitely unsuited to hardware. at least in this universe.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I'll start with 1. d4 then
asciilifeform: benkay: happy to answe that one.
nubbins`: i can recall trading cad:usd at like 1.4:1 before going on vacation as a kid
mircea_popescu: dollar split, the north was like, 1:2
mircea_popescu: nah, the war.
pankkake: what year was the worst thing that happened to the U.S. dollar?
BingoBoingo: I'll take tails since you know the flippage
nubbins`: great, we'll get gribble to flip
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Why not, give me some time to set up the board
benkay: the20year1: what on earth do you mean by 'tie a new altcoin to btc addresses'?
the20year1: Anyone have an answer to my question?
BingoBoingo: ng to Urbit and the thing that highlights its futility is Clojure.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well You can spec a Turing complete language on a napkin in the bar. What takes time is building an implementation that runs on something. For most applications now, the various *nix's are going to be the best things available. If you want to write a new future of computing though instead of inventing Urbit someone could have just as well made a *nix that only offered as a Userland GNU Guile. It seems to me the Closest thi
benkay: granted i don't know anything about anything, and there's the whole keyboard and display thing to deal with
benkay: BingoBoingo: i don't know that i buy asciilifeform's ball-o-mud argument on urbit yet. given enough traction wouldn't it make sense to rewrite the important bits for fpgas or what have we?
BingoBoingo: benkay: There is a distinct difference between badness and sadness as a question of being different kinds of properties.
BingoBoingo: benkay: That has to be the saddest site on the internet
the20year1: It'd be pretty cool to spawn off an altcoin backed by real estate through our bitcoin realestate business, but i don't know of any viable way to do it
the20year1: Is it possible to tie a new altcoin to btc addresses?
benkay: i think it's a stunt to drive business for http://www.designinghypermediaapis.com/ butttttt i may be wrong
frb: a coin whose only redeeming feature is that it is named after an internet meme
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diametric: they changed all the buttons too
pankkake: haha nice. even the username is funny
mircea_popescu: gives the coin an incentive to spontaneously die
mircea_popescu: basically, the longer a block interval, the lower the reward
pankkake: coins made to be bad got traded
mircea_popescu: actually block rewards equal to say the 5th digit of the nonce are an interesting idea
nubbins`: "what is with the digger built into the QT. I never got it running, always said no dig such fail."
benkay: to the doge