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the20year2: I retain 35% of my divs
too, but
then I ponied up $30k+ into
the fund :D
mircea_popescu: the20year2 and
then you list
the crap and get called a scam and don't understand why.
the20year2: If you were
the issuer , why not? Investors
typically don't read
the
T &C , and if
they do, few understand it
Duffer1: those assholes have gone overboard with
that one
the20year2: I always laugh at how
these companies are set up, i've gone overboard with mine, and no one cares
the20year2: And it's a sweet deal for
the mining company......the cost
to provide
those GH goes down every day
Duffer1: i can't imagine
that will ever rio
Duffer1: wow
they really have raised 3400 btc
Duffer1: more
than
they'll ever actually mine
mircea_popescu: jurov well you don't HAVE
to settle, you can just sell it back later
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jurov: i'll add it on coinbr, but it needs scary warning you need b-c account
to settle it
sois: i sent him a proposal
that would automate
the process, i'm guessing he is just using excel and manually doing it which must be a hassle
sois: Okay, guess nothing we can do but wait
till next dividend or his response
the20year2: jurov:
the prevailing
theory is
that
the heart shape is specifically
that
sois: TAT, Did Friedcat respond on what
the issue is with
the direct
transfer shares from last week?
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azoo: what about
the just recent news about china banning withdrawals btc
to fiat?
ThickAsThieves: they pulled similar shit with
tencent rumors in
the past
FabianB_: didn't know any of
them had anything directly
to do with bitcoin
FabianB_: the only
third party 'payment provider'
they mention in
the article is
Tenpay
Duffer1: couple of reddit rumor
threads so far,
that's all i've been able
to find
mircea_popescu: seems
the usual overreaction. no such
thing happened as far as anyone knows
mike_c: tell him your code is C++, and
therefore can't be a scam.
kakobreklaa: fun fact, clark moody refused
to advertise my service cause it was suspeicious of it being scammy. he does have a mcxnow banner on site, still.
benkay: your prose does have
the vitriol of not-totally-bleached youth ;)
benkay: i'm a near
total neophyte
to
the execution of code and
the
things upon which
they execute, so your grumpy old man attitude is fascinating
to keep in mind while coming up
to speed on
the rest of
the stack.
benkay: first i'd ever encountered
the notion of dataflow stuff
benkay: asciilifeform: i dreamt about a dataflow soup (using biocomputing elements) last night and
then read your Alert Reader post
this morning.
mircea_popescu: was supposed
to start
today. i guess davout is having some
tech
trouble ?
mike_c: but now you get
to enjoy
the anticipation of being a billionaire again.
mike_c: heh, right.
the gox effect.
pankkake: well
then it shouldn't crash at all
mike_c: well, its posted on
their site
that
they are requiring identification now
diametric: ahh also btc china has enacted a
trading fee now
pankkake: is
there a non-panic mode in bitcoin?
mike_c: buffet says
this is a good
time
to be greedy
diametric: seems like
the market is in full panic sell mode right now.
jcpham: you would crash
too if it happened
to you
gesell: whats
the reason for
the current crash?
mike_c: coinbase is 1%
too, although
they aren't really an exchange.
taub_: hehe surprise guys let me raise
the fees on my super active
traedign platform
to 0.3%
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ThickAsThieves: actually
the amount lost here is probly very close
to amount gained on idiffs
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mircea_popescu: looky, economy is built on
trust and people doing
their job. it's not really built on "making it impossible" for people
to default.
lyspooner: until
then you have recreated icbit's downside problems
lyspooner: the good exchange will pick
that format
mircea_popescu: i
tell you euro will
turn worthless in
the next
ten years a degree of magnitude more often
than btc will
lyspooner: nonsense in what way? it prevents
the situation i just described
mircea_popescu: and moreover he has
the means
to go delta neutral as he has ready access
to a spot market.
mircea_popescu: of course, what he says is
that he's not going directional, and it makes sense for him not
to, if he knows his business,
lyspooner: he would sell 1mn contracts, and in
the case
that bitcoins were worth less
than 1 eur and he didn't hedge himself, he would owe 1mn EUR. he would run off and people would get near worthless bitcoins
mircea_popescu: and it's practically better
than
the alternative (hold 1mn euros which also COULD be worthless)
mircea_popescu: still, on one hand it's a much better liquidation event
than either
the best or
the most recent non-mpex liquidation event, on one hand
mircea_popescu: that COULD be worthless, obviously. and it'll have
to be accounted for.
mircea_popescu: well suppose
the mm gets 1mn contracts, by depositing 1560 btc.
lyspooner: in
the case where
the mm splits or dies or forgets everything or worse,
then
the longs eat
the crap
mircea_popescu: lyspooner certainly all changes are announced before
the contract
trades.
this is sacred.
mircea_popescu: admittedly
there could still exist an edge case where
the mm splits and
the holders book a loss
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the mm deposit could have been in either of
the pair, but btc seems safer.
lyspooner: imagine i buy 100 contracts while
there is a single market-maker, davout, because i am comfortable with his
terms of delivery
mircea_popescu: no
there isn't. you've been looking at eurodollars
too long.
lyspooner: there's still something gross about
the delivery specs being different from mm
to mm
lyspooner: ah ok, i've been look at icbit
too long
lyspooner: so if i buy 1000 contracts at .0015 and
the future expires at 10,000,000 eur on
the final settlement day, and
the short can't give me 10 billion euros, what do i get?
mircea_popescu: lyspooner
that is one way
to run it.
there's no guarantee it'll be
the way it's run.
mircea_popescu: edy for contract holders from
the part of
the Exchange.