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kakobrekla: not like he knew
the amt of fake euro debt he
took upon himself from
the start
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Twitch
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the larger variety, which come with extended battery life)
[\]: might as well sell
them a 486
mircea_popescu: and for all
the
talk of displeasure, if one compares
the
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to
top 1B before 2014
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mircea_popescu: so
the guy can ask. course... always a good idea
to ask before rather
than after lol
Namworld: Try showing coinbase
the
transaction out was sent
to bitbet and it came back as a winning bet, if it happens you win.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i assumed
they allow him
to sign with
the address ?
Namworld: Not really. How would you prove you sent
that
transaction? You can't. A screenshot isn't good enough. I could make a screenshot and edit it 50
times for all amounts and claim all bets as mine.
mircea_popescu: does coinbase actually allocate addresses
to users, like a sort of wallet ?
zach_: no cuz i can show i sent it from my address
to
the given address it said
to place
the bet
mircea_popescu: zach_
then you could i suppose pester
them
to credit it, when it shows up. in general however you should not be doing
this.
twizt: zach_: i
think
their cust serv would be
the best suited
to answer your question
zach_: i can prove from my coinebase
transaction history
that
the bet in question was sent by me
mircea_popescu: no,
there is no way
to change addresses it sends payouts
to. otherwise everyone would cash in on everyone else's bets.
zach_: ok so if a bet has not resolved yet is
there a way
to change
the address for it
to send payouts
mircea_popescu: this means
that it sweeps its btc into a cold wallet, which also means it will be paying from addresses it controls,
mircea_popescu: zach_ because it is likely
that coinbase uses some sort of minimal security.
Jere_Jones: Was
the 1B difficulty bet
the largest bitbet ever?
twizt: zach_: i
think
that answer depends on how coinbase is designed...
zach_: why would it not just go back
to
that same coinbase wallet,
that is my wallet
mircea_popescu: if you did not enter an address
then coinbase
thanks you for your donation.
mircea_popescu: this means, not using shitty services
that don't add a fee
to
txs, and not betting late.
zach_: if i did not enter an address, it will just get sent back
to coinbase correct? does
that work are are
there problems with
that
mircea_popescu: if however you send in such a way
that your
transaction doesn't make it before
the bet closes, you're screwed.
mircea_popescu: zach_ as long as you control
the destination address, you'll be fine.
pankkake: well you can see
the out address on
the public bet list
pankkake: I don't
think you have a way
to prove you were
that
transaction
zach_: not
totally sure but i don't
think i specified a different address
to receive
zach_: ok, how do i contact someone from bitbet
then
pankkake: bitbet allows you
to have a custom address, it won't necessarily use
the sending address
pankkake: but if you're early enough, why not, just be sure
to specify an address manually
zach_: na i'm asking because i saw on smoeother betting site
that coinbase did not work for sending money
to
them, something about it sending it back
to
the same address, just like bitbet does, and
there being issues with
that
pankkake: coinbase is known for sending
transactions late,
too
nubbins`: coinbase cheaped out on
the
tx fee, guy missed a bet deadline
nubbins`: i
think some guy got burned doing
that a while ago
knotwork: if so maybe we can later after inventing parachute put in an infinite number of parachutes, and even back when we built
the first infinite-capacity airplane it would have all
those parachutes
that will eventually be invented?
mircea_popescu: and
the airplane
throwing
thing is a fascinating exercise in impotence.
knotwork: if
there are an infinate number of people in
the airplane
then relativity maybe should indicate
there must also be an infinite number of moments of
time?
mircea_popescu: nobody can win
the war on concepts, be
they purely
theoretical like heliocentrism or quite sordid like psychoactives,
mircea_popescu: there's an infinite number of people still using
the airplane.
mircea_popescu: after you're done
throwing an infinite number of people out of
the airplane
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the parachute argument eschews
the infinity problem.
knotwork: yeah somewhere between
thrown in
the deep end
to learn
to swim and
thrown out of an airplane
to incentivise inventing a parachute
there is a slope of some slipperiness or lack of slipperiness or nasty friction or razor blades or something
knotwork: The north pole is probably a big aerial for christmas ham radio anyway as well as a faster
than light communicator so Santa can stay in
touch with
the Ms. wheil delivering prezzies.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves part of
the problem is perhaps
that you're confusing
the internet and
the web
knotwork: you can do UUCP over ham radio
though sure
mircea_popescu: probably a sort of point
to point over wireless is already happening in
the major cities
knotwork: subscribe
to an alt.blockchains.bitcoin newsgroup, presto
knotwork: or we could use acoustic modems over long distance phone lines but
that is so much less elegant, albeit shorter forks. UUCP
to
the rescue, whee!
knotwork: maybe less if easter bunny and
tooth fairy help him
knotwork: so we'd have one year
to
two year long forks in progress constantly
knotwork: run your local fork via sneakernet all year,
then put it on santa's plate with his cookies and milk so when he zooms around
the world faster
than light he picks
them all up, maybe even has a copier in his sleigh
to copy it so he puts in your stocking all
the chaisn from all
the kids he visited before you
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how is bitcoin related
to
the web, sweriously
knotwork: print out a buy order GPG message
to mpoe-pr and snailmail it
to a penpal in Romania who drops it in a dead-drop for MPOE-spy
to pick up
knotwork: bitcoin does depend on having some kind of net
though if only sneakers-and-paper-wallets net
knotwork: web and net are different, web is just another
thing
that uses
the net as
transport, much like bitcoin is
mod6: bitcoin will find a way. if anything, i
think we'd build our own communications network if we needed
to.
ThickAsThieves: you
think bitcoin would stay healthy without it
the net?
mircea_popescu: what exactly is
the relation of bitcoin
to
the web, mpoe-pr ?
mircea_popescu: likely bitcoin will use some roundabout means of internet control
to impede nonsense.
ThickAsThieves: what if gov uses some roundabout means of internet control
to impede bitcoin
mircea_popescu: and any government
that asserts any sort of infringement on
teh republic of bitcoin's sovereignity, such as by purporting
to "tax" bitcoins or
to "regulate" mining etc is
thereby declaring war, and will feel
the full wrath and might of said republic.
mircea_popescu: because
they were made before
the internet forced
tech up everyone's
throat, by people who believe in legal solutions.
pankkake: credit cards is
the worst security ever
ThickAsThieves: "The only good news: Krebs reports
that
the
Target
thieves did not get
the cards CVV2 —
that 3 or 4 digit security number printed on back of cards — which means
they can’t do any online shopping with
the cards. "
ThickAsThieves: (Amusingly, one of my normal Bitcoin sources emailed me
to say, “ If
Target accepted Bitcoins, 40 million individuals would have been protected.”
ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin, as well as other irreversible and semi-anonymous ways of sending money including Litecoin, WebMoney, PerfectMoney, and
traditional wire
transfers.
ozbot: Stolen
Target Credit Cards Are Selling For $20 - $100 Each - Forbes
pankkake: quite a lot of work, but sure should pay in
the long run