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asciilifeform: KRS1: afaik it still holds the record for unit cost / gram (other than weird biologicals)
KRS1: aerogel is badass i wanted to buy some of it
the20year: i guess a sewage plant in texas is now selling the waste as fertilizer, making a ton off it
BingoBoingo: That local site is now repurposed as a sewage treatment facility
asciilifeform: but there aren't any over here, sadly.
asciilifeform: hence why you can buy one for considerably less than a human house
the20year: pumps were shut off a long time ago
BingoBoingo: Surface launched, but lifted from the concrete vault by an elevator.
asciilifeform: they all flood if the pumps aren't working
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There were the underground magazines.
BingoBoingo: A county government purchased on of the local Nike bases a while back for records storage. Mold and Mosture took out a good portion of the archived vital records.
the20year: Here in Ohio, even during the winter, all you need to do is dig a 5ft hole, install some plexiglass over the top of it, and you can grow tomatoes and such all year long
the20year: (Although that depends on your location in the US)
the20year: that's because once you go down about 3 feet , temperatures stabilize on a yearly basis, around 55f
the20year: You can do that, or just build it yourself, rent a backhoe and spend a few days
asciilifeform: and are famous for the low cost of heating/cooling
asciilifeform: here in the u.s., demilitarized missile shafts are sometimes sold
the20year: at some point , i want to bury a few connex boxes to keep temperature stable
the20year: There are easier ways than that
asciilifeform: if you could build with 'aerogel' insulation, you could heat the house with just your body + computer.
asciilifeform: easy to heat a house that never gets cold
the20year: it's 0f here today
KRS1: i have to put on long pants for once
KRS1: i know how you feel-cold in florida today, probably 65-low 60's
the20year: These have afterburners/scrubbers on them, the people I know that use them are heating 2000sf+ houses with just a cord of wood per year
asciilifeform: the20year: this was, afaik, invented by ww2 partizans
the20year: sometimes built in a hill or ditch, surrounded by dirt, that's then piped underground to your house
the20year: i don't know the name for them, but the big new wood heat here locally is a insullated box
nubbins`: expecting another 25cm today
nubbins`: anyway, speaking of tenants, i should go pick up rent before this storm hits
asciilifeform: came with the place
nubbins`: our tenants are on oil :(
nubbins`: that's like smoking cigarettes because you like the smell
asciilifeform: see, quite a few people get wood stoves because they like the smell.
nubbins`: if you REALLY want to burn wood for heat, get a Jotul stove
asciilifeform: if you burn 1-stage, the whole town gets to smell the barbeque
asciilifeform: phun phact: afterburner is the invention that made cremation popular in the west
the20year: I don't have a fireplace in my house , next houe we have will absolutely have one. My neighbor just put one in his house though
nubbins`: wood stoves are the shine
the20year: as for cost, they can't be beat
nubbins`: wood stoves in general are way better than fireplaces for this thing too
the20year: typically they're extraordinarily efficient
the20year: afterburners usually take out most of the soot
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course not, but I'm thinking such thoughts would be attractive to the mining mindset.
asciilifeform: you know, it really doesn't get much dirtier than firewood
nubbins`: too true
mircea_popescu: i don't think the concept of dirty existed in the universe this thing was made.
nubbins`: only problem is that certain fuels are a lot dirtier, and require more maintenance
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nobody cancelled laws of thermodynamics
BingoBoingo: I'm kind of suprised people who claim to be running mining farms aren't talking about stirling engines and heat recovery.
asciilifeform: (thermoelectric cell, the seemingly-obvious solution, is laughably inefficient)
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i've got a camp stove that takes kerosene, diesel, naphtha, and even unleaded gasoline << i used to have a car that took all that, also alcohol, toluene, etc
asciilifeform: if you want to run a laptop off a candle, a micro stirling engine is probably the only way to go.
the20year: solar troughs are immensely cheap, very efficient, and overall great use
nubbins`: i wonder if the off-the-grid crowd uses these
the20year: the ones i've seen, by people who were supposed to be experts were all way more innefiicent and more expensive than a standard steam turbine system using a solar trough
asciilifeform: mainly because they're no good for vehicles
asciilifeform: there are ways to make substantially cheaper stirling engine
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it always did that, you can click the bubbles to switch
the20year: last sterling engine I saw that 'd produce 25 watts was about $500
the20year: so how many to get 50w or so?
the20year: how many watts does that produce?
asciilifeform: there's a traditional schoolboy version made from aluminum can, that will run off body heat.
nubbins`: i've got a camp stove that takes kerosene, diesel, naphtha, and even unleaded gasoline
asciilifeform: it doesn't get any simpler than a stirling engine.
the20year: compared to say photovoltaics
the20year: from my understanding the cost to make one was pretty pricey
nubbins`: i'd buy several of those
asciilifeform: you could run a computer on anything that combusts.
asciilifeform: i'm rather surprised those 'laptop-sized' stirling engines never caught on
nubbins`: and the last gallon of kerosene
asciilifeform: (afaik this doesn't actually exist)
nubbins`: i just shook my head as i purchased the last kerosene heater
asciilifeform: always wanted one of those
nubbins`: yeah, these were the camping size bottles
asciilifeform: nubbins`: some have generators that run on it
nubbins`: "you know you guys can't burn that inside, right?"
nubbins`: you'd be amazed at the number of people i saw at the hardware store loading up on propane.
ThickAsThieves: sounds like they had bad timing
nubbins`: so there's another blizzard heading this way
asciilifeform: i overheard my neighbours talking about dumping their savings into AM some time ago
asciilifeform: these folks are harvesting the 'ground floor' people rather well
nubbins`: convenient, too
nubbins`: asciilifeform: click on any green button that shows USD
ThickAsThieves: BFL is basically the first scammer in line for new bitcoin enthusiasts
plambert: are they going to be more effcient than other ASIC miners, or are they just the same thing everybody else has already?
ThickAsThieves: they claim to be shipping the first draft of asic miners immediately
mircea_popescu: the people who banked on them last year aren't around anymore, if that's telling.
mircea_popescu: allegedly some other shit since, but it's kind of hard to get straight answers.
mircea_popescu: after all they can bfl-deliver anything, why think small.
mircea_popescu: the idea being that expenses a company makes may either result in tangible or intangible goods, these being terms of art and defined in the original standard
ThickAsThieves: bunch of updates to open transaction
ozbot: The Holy Grail I wish I could kiss the author of Bitmessage on his face.
BingoBoingo: I've submitted the BitBet and sent a bit to fund yes. I dunno if him getting substantial jailtime in his criminal case later this month would help or hurt the chances of yes winning.
asciilifeform: plambert: how would you value 'getting the damned assembly going 3 days sooner' ?
the20year: anyone know offhand what the cheapest bond/fund is that offer mining in terms of btc or dollars per GH?
BingoBoingo: Well, he acknowledged his summons, and now has his fingers in his ears. This was a civil case. The time to evade, ignore, and avoid service was with the summons.
mircea_popescu: i thought this was well established ? something new there ?
BingoBoingo: I'm looking at the Pirate Ponzi filings on PACER and it looks like we can add being a deadbeat to things Mr. Shavers sucks at in addition to all of the other things in his fail pile
mircea_popescu: it could have been a rather tough half hour.