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mircea_popescu: ie, this model GIVES AWAY what the ourdemocracy retards imagine is the whole job, and leaves them to you know, apply "jus' the facts"
mircea_popescu: but the fact remains -- you have "The book" ie a complete description of the god machine. all that's left is to you know, apply them "just the facts" in context.
mircea_popescu: no, you get the info, you just don't directly get how it relates to you.
mircea_popescu: in fact, every single player that spends 256 rounds finding out the functions achieves the historical goal of all human science. in this alt universe, it's not "ars longa" etc, it's a specified, 256 step process.
mircea_popescu: you can, for instance, obtain the complete and correct list of the functions in the machine.
mircea_popescu: whole thing started as a dispute re the practical meaning of learning.
mircea_popescu: hey, i already made a game. this was the reality teaching tool.
mircea_popescu: it just fails to be biased in favbour of internet-shithead-generation nonsense, wikitardia et all.
mircea_popescu: so if anything, the model is biased re the theoretical possibility of learning, by overstating it.
mircea_popescu: in any case -- it's not just that there's A LOT of leakage of actual information from universe to player. it's that irl there's provably less.
mircea_popescu: that's the fucking point. as bama well observed, "my old man used to gamble when he plantted his field and prtayed dfor rain. i figure if a man's gonna gamble, might as well do it without plowing."
mircea_popescu: basically a sort of "find out if you can or can't prove, FOR REALS."
mircea_popescu: moreover i imagine ima actually work it like this : anyone can add as many agents as they wish for 1 bitcent per ; total pot minus what the simulation costs is divided to top scoring agents.
mircea_popescu: "no better than chance strat exists and you can't prove this."
mircea_popescu: and it keeps going from there, next step eg (-2 * 35 * 7 x + 14 * 35 * 7) / 16**2
mircea_popescu: you end up with fn initialized as say -2 x + 14 and then on the first pas it becomes say -2 * 35 / 16 x + 14 * 35 / 16
mircea_popescu: the state is kept as bytes, except for a and b parameters of linear functions, which are reals, and which change through division by ints.
mircea_popescu: it'd seem to me the model as described does in fact generate reals properly from rng.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking point here is the deux-pez is not a fully computable machine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it does, EXCEPT when trying to model reality.
mircea_popescu: but imo in this application, the problems of reals actually are used, for our purpose.
mircea_popescu: and i see no way out of having reals sadly, because gotta vary the function list somehow.
mircea_popescu: you should see the coffee here btw. it's fucking incredible.
mircea_popescu: dork wasn't perceiving itself as part of a cheapo corporate culture ; on THE CONTRARY!!!11
mircea_popescu: culture shock of all time, when mp ran into barrista, pointed out to her that he didn't give a shit about what her supposded name is either, when they started the whole nametag crap in the 70s.
mircea_popescu: the incomprehensible part is where the parents don't chain them naked to posts and whip them until they escape or die.
mircea_popescu: except it's not "i can't decide what to do", it's "i've decided that being a fluffer's handmaiden is below my level. i'm not willing to kill myself over this apparent failure of the world to contain anything fit for me, but i'll shamble about aimlessly for a while maybe something sticks"
mircea_popescu: i believe it, if nothing else than because i saw this dorkette.
mircea_popescu: usg is a major selector for shit by now, btw. ~only female here who was keen on immigrating (got some "criminology" degree from, you guessed it, umd) was ~0 market value call-center-for-lyf operator.
mircea_popescu: as that dude selling out in 1929 pointed out -- there are people you really do not wish to commune with. by the time shoeblacks are buying stocks, stocks are for shoeblacks.
mircea_popescu: first the chicks with great tits show up, and make a party out of a desert. then the chicks with ugly tits hear about the nice tit hangout and go there to try and sprinkle some nice on their sad bosoms.
mircea_popescu: i'd say that's fair, 70s us vs 2010s us might as well be different planets.
mircea_popescu: well then, so they'll be sitting in whatever pen and fuck them, they get no name and no voice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, it's not clear. being elite is the point. people generallty don't want to find out iuf they are or they aren't, and it slows down with age.
mircea_popescu: phf depends though. reagan usa was very much unlike clinton+ usa.
mircea_popescu: only place where someone will pay good money to you know, have somebody operate on him in the back of a truck.
mircea_popescu: if it's not abortions it's siliconoplasty, sex surgery, you name it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually us has the largest black medical services market of any place with pretense of civilisation i ever saw. and ALWAYUS DID
mircea_popescu: and underutilized elite "i'm a nigger stomper, but '''we just don't do that in my country'''"will find their actual useful levbel.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking 1990s fiction is ALL ABOUT this, "holy shit mom, i thought i was a type, turns out reality's untyped!"
mircea_popescu: no one is elite because god/pope/king/whoever said so/put his hands on him/invested with phallus-staff and cunt-ring.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no elite that attaches to "the attaining of full professorship". this is the problem here, the statal parasitizing of the notion of elite.
mircea_popescu: what there isn't, are any slots for the aspie 14% to wannabe-elite on the basis of other people's processes, goods and etc.
mircea_popescu: this is an iffier point. i didn't meet that many altogether. moreover, i didn't discount the "friend of a friend" stories out of hand.
mircea_popescu: twas supposed to impress the sheiks, 99% of all it was good for. as you can see the problem remains even today, in exactly same terms.
mircea_popescu: it was ~same as short fat dude in 2nd hs year will pay strippers to come hang out with him in the cafeteria.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the functioning of soviet economy was not in any sense different. they'd just steal inventions outright, w/e.
mircea_popescu: what target countries value ideologically is uninteresting. but what they value on the sane basis of valuation, can't be ignored. so if you mix "the french really liked ukr chicks" in there we'll have to distinguish what does "the french" mean, ie, what portion they like because them bitches can suck a golf ball through a garden hose and what portion because they read in paris match that they should.
mircea_popescu: phf we are judging elite on the strength of action rather than ideology. properly-fat-female is elite because can fuck. properly-soviet-bureaucrat is not elite because can not do jack shit.
mircea_popescu: but usistani "best anthropologist of his generation" is no kind of elite. only elite there is kardashian, because ass.
mircea_popescu: this is the sad result of following dumbass ideology (ie, socialism) past its halfway point -- you become -value, notwithstanding in saner context you'd have been +value and thereby some kind of elite.
mircea_popescu: phf the point you're not seeing because it's so unexpected and i didn't make it specifically was that the definition of elite scales with society. elite is "who has objective value". in late soviet, much like in late usg reich, the strippers were the elite
mircea_popescu: he DID get free education yes ? usg still wants you to pay college debt even if you leave.
mircea_popescu: whereas under discussion here wasn't "guy who worked for army/internal ministry/etc 30 years", but very specifically, young-female-whose-preponderence-of-value-comes-from-specific-fat-distribution-on-body.
mircea_popescu: now portion of this is also defensive, and should be separated. some dudes leaving left with actual goods. some might have and the soviet accountancy was slightly worse than us, they couldn't quite figure it exactly.
mircea_popescu: re later, nobody fucking bothered to pay room and board for some idle schmuck that was too dumb to leave himself in the first place. re former, of fucking course they kept pretending to importance for a day or two, it's what statal socialism is built out of : the organised pretense to importance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you two are perhaps confusing arrests "would you please come with us" -> dumbass questioning insistently repeated with jailings "you will sit in this room for 12 years".
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's the canonical borderline sleeve transactional outpour, "i cant/couldnt" (age dependent) "study/work/move/whatever because son/husband/father/baby jesus on stick needed me not to".
mircea_popescu: the whole "expectation" thread linked recently is amusingly on point.
mircea_popescu: not "fuck relatives", though that's what dumb female would pretend was said ; not "this doesn't happen", though that's what castrated "allies" might pretend was said. simply "the responsibility for living in jail attaches to each individual liver individually. old relative should have fucking known better than to be there, and shouldn't expect other-people to put out his clothes just because he likes sitting down on the going
mircea_popescu: in a sense that "mutual responsibility" is never a genuine concern, but out and out fraternizing with the enemy.
mircea_popescu: phf the specific phrasing of protective female bullshit (PFB) is studied in a different discipline, but sure.
mircea_popescu: the fact that elites failed to defect is a very sad testament on the structurally broken in the head nature of postmodern elites. something we know as jwz-ism today, but has preexisted jwz.
mircea_popescu: and i dunno re planets, but on mine ~everyone with any market value had >1 opportunities to gtfo.