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mircea_popescu: i can send you a bitcoin whether you wish
to accept it or not, and whether you know or not
mircea_popescu: but it would be stil lequally easy
to deny
that it's your
transaction.
decimation: indeed, it would be idiotic. But it would be difficult
to deny
that it's not your wallet
mircea_popescu: it's what it likes
to do. fiat runs and bitcoin rests.
BingoBoingo: decimation:
That seems like a wallet I wouldn't want
to use.
decimation: what if one were
to use a deterministic wallet address derived from retina features for instance
mircea_popescu: moreover,
there's no good reason
to presume
this is not happening at any point, nor particularly easy or even possible
to prove so.
BingoBoingo: This sounds like
the sort of case where BitBet could replace
the court as a solution and
to
the laundering. Step one.
Take positions on a Difficulty bet paying out
to addresses with publicized different owners as well as addresses with unknown owners.
mircea_popescu: you could get fucked by some guy who
thinks he saw you fucking his wife.
mircea_popescu: in which case we're back
to your problems being widely abusable power, which is not a bitcoin
thing.
mircea_popescu: and so i have
to judge
this situation where you say coinbullion googled your name and used it
to cover
their
theft
nubbins`: let's buy
trilema credits with it
mircea_popescu: address A sends back
to mtgox for credit ?
the same bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's go
through
this. mtgox wallet is emptied
to address A.
nubbins`: anyway, merge my
thought with alf's
mircea_popescu: so what if google search
turns up whatever ? i can make google show up a shaved baboon when you google for nubbins
nubbins`: google search
turns up whatever
nubbins`: last
tx was 10k bitcoin
to 1blahblah
mircea_popescu: run me
through a scenario where you actually identify such a "direct
trade"
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, discovering
that your wallet directly
traded with anyone is an exercise in impossibility.
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mircea_popescu: if you spend
time in a smoky room "you might have problems one day"
BingoBoingo: Well, if your gold was exposed
to neutron radiation it may endanger your health one day
decimation: if it's discovered
that your wallet directly
traded with a known
thief's wallet - you might have problems one day
mircea_popescu: this actually works as an argument. bitcoin needs no assaying, which makes it more fungible
than something
that does.
mircea_popescu: all
those series on bars and so forth,
they're kinda
there
to limit fungibility
nubbins`: maybe i'm frequenting
the wrong bars ;(
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bitcoins are more fungible
than gold ever was, in practice.
nubbins`: the bars i frequent are not
the sort of places where one would bring a suitcase full of benjamins
mircea_popescu: "It sounds like you need a few slaps in
the face
to get in
touch with society."
decimation: is
there a pool
that publishes its accounting?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all coins are and will remain equal.
this is
the concept known as fungibility.
mircea_popescu: "o you sent fiddy altcoins extra ? allow me
to edit all
the previous scamscreams!"
ozbot: IcyHash Pool/Spork985 refusing
to produce or explain multiple missing coins
decimation: what if mining guilds are doing
this
today?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: No need
to own
the hardware yourself.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: What you do is start a pool and pay out better
than
the other pools
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
this is what "the community" didn't belive pirate's hash exchange was for.
nubbins`: 50 cents on
the dollar if you're lucky
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well Good ole
Trendon did
that
nubbins`: he entered
the bitcoin forcefully and without mercy
nubbins`: when did you enter
the bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, "Hi I am a 25 years old Italian boy. I entered
the bitcoin about one year ago, so I am not so noob even if not expert."
nubbins`: this image popped up in one of
the old avalon
threads, i lel'd heavily
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, huge uproar in
the sense
that scammors are really butthurt
there's some stuff
they can't readily manipulate.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well,
they still implement
the list by making it a user account and it can be given negative feeback just like any other.
nubbins`: i.e.
their feedback appears in
the "trusted feedback" section of a user's
trust page
nubbins`: nah, default
trust is a list of people
that, by default, all new users "trust"
nubbins`: Duffer1: i've got some lovely certificates designed for
those
BingoBoingo: Dunno what people are up in arms about. Default
Trust is just a user account on
the forums
that can be given negative
trust
nubbins`: "[Default
Trust] is
Tyrannically Centralized! (goat)"
nubbins`: goat changed his name on
the forums
BingoBoingo: First
two still seem
to be on
the forum... who knows about Usagi anymore.
mircea_popescu: speaking of
the entire silver
thing, what happened
to pietilla, goat and usagi ?
decimation: but you might convince a greater fool
to buy your silver and make a profit
decimation: anyone with common sense knows it's going
to crash and burn
nubbins`: someone's going
to be left holding millions of dogecoin
nubbins`: risk being
that you're
the greatest fool
Duffer1: btc -> fiat -> vps mine shitaltcoin#1361235 -> dump on sucker on craptsy = more btc
than you started with
decimation: it's really a bet
that
the difficulty won't go up as much as everyone hopes/fears in
the future
nubbins`: not only
technically but practically,
too
decimation: if you don't wish
to buy with fiat for whatever reason
decimation: If you can purchase a miner in bitcoin
though,
that counts as a bitcoin investment