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nubbins`: but like i say, tty1-6 available and responsive
nubbins`: managed to boot into a liveusb install ONCE, have been unable to replicate this feat
BingoBoingo: You play with BIOS or whatever the fuck they call it now settings?
nubbins`: bit outta my element here, been a while since i've had to dick around like this
nubbins`: yeah, tried 12.04 as well, didn't have much luck there either
BingoBoingo: The newer ones look for weird BIOS/UFCI stuff try 12.04 you can upgrade from there if necessary. The new installers suck with older mobile hardware though
nubbins`: hm, trying to run ubuntu from usb, gets as far as "Stopping enable remaining boot-time encrypted block devices [OK]" and stops
decimation: well, like bitcoin, the Werhmacht's fuel supply was theirs to lose
asciilifeform: 'tiger' tank is even more complex.
mircea_popescu: hence the famous "the iron! oh my god the iron!"
mircea_popescu: and so got trampled underfoot by those with better meteoric exposure.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding their astounding other accomplishments,
mircea_popescu: most populations were unable to acquire a few pounds of iron,
mircea_popescu: decimation there's no requirement that fuel availability and mechanical complexity relate in any particular proportion.
decimation: for instance, the gasenwagen picture supplied by ascii. It's amazing to me that someone with the mechanical competence to assemble such a contraption would be unable to buy a few gallons of fuel
mircea_popescu: because clearly she forced you through your lack of other options.
mircea_popescu: problem with this approach is that if you follow it you'll end up filing rape charges against the only woman that'd have you
mircea_popescu: well that it may be, sure.
mircea_popescu: that's not forced, that's mere convenience.
Duffer1: unable to sustain without
mircea_popescu: we just agree too much.
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah well, i've been saying this to everyone's exhaustion for the past coupla years or w/e.
decimation: no, what I mean is that the fiat regime allows the delusion of infinite wealth
mircea_popescu: first with the lincoln, now with the spankings...
nubbins`: the referendum to join canada was passed with a scant 52% voting yes
mircea_popescu: dude this guy... is he courting me personally ?
asciilifeform: i'm told there are a few in finland that still work. perhaps reptilia owns one
decimation: anyway, to mp's original point about change, I think there is a fundamental truth about human nature. Humans require suffering to calibrate their joy
mircea_popescu: as there's only 20 years between the two wars, and plenty of locales changed hands multiple times... it happens.
asciilifeform: these trucks are often confused, by amateur historians, for the famous mobile gassers
asciilifeform: gasenwagen - russian corruption of 'gaswagen' - in actuality, merely a truck powered by coal gas (wood stove bolted on the back, pumps out CO, which you can just barely run an engine on.)
nubbins`: nationalities that still exist tho?
nubbins`: ha, too true
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's nothing, plenty of old women around the balkans shed 5-6-7 nationalities
decimation: ascii - solzhenitzyn said that they were meat wagons (in the end of The First Circle)
KRS1: When can I start trading pokemon and magic: the gathering on MtGox
ozbot: Newfoundland dollar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: where banking today is a little more like trusting mtgox with it
decimation: yeah, banking back then was pretty much like trusting bitcointalk scammers with your money
asciilifeform: decimation: there was precedent. plenty of u.s. localities had local crackpot fiats
mircea_popescu: or not the proper type of dour ?
decimation: indeed, lincoln started the fiat craze to fund his religious war
nubbins`: old women holding mirrors up to riot police
mircea_popescu: sort of like today's ukraine or what have you.
mircea_popescu: in the 1800s the us was a bit player, fighting with mexico over the silver export to china
decimation: yeah I'm thinking WWI
mircea_popescu: that wasn't in the 1800s
decimation: although it was mostly fiction anyway at that point
asciilifeform: sort of how the average american owes MAX_INT dollars to somebody or other.
decimation: well, it also caused the US to abandon gold
asciilifeform: wouldn't that be more like owing 'MAX_INT' gold?
decimation: or the UK
decimation: well that didn't work out well for germany
mircea_popescu: even in practice, in the 1800s multiple governments owed more gold than was actually available in the world at the time
decimation: implicit promise to bailout I mean
decimation: but the lack of an implicit printing press will surely encourage the investors to be more skeptical
mircea_popescu: just as long as the promise isn't to pay in specie and in one go, it still can stand.
mircea_popescu: decimation that's a subset of "how can public companies be worth more than 20mn btc. they can."
asciilifeform: seems almost certain that the days in which you needed to corner somebody in the flesh to collect a tax, will come back.
decimation: how can a government promise to pay more bitcoin than exists for instance?
mircea_popescu: much in the way what law and the courts are will change and so on
mircea_popescu: much in the way what tax means and what taxation entails will change,
mircea_popescu: what property means and what remedies for theft are will change.
mircea_popescu: the moral here is that willy-nilly bitcoin will bring about deep and far reaching changes in human society, culture and mentality.
asciilifeform: 'robin hood' is good fun so long as you're on the correct end of him, yes
decimation: heh. If someone were to steal all the btc from mtgox and distribute them to the last 1,000 addresses that mined at least one block would be considered a hero
asciilifeform: he damn well knows he needs to change many, not only his own
asciilifeform: like the proverbial kid who sneaks into the school computer to change grades
nubbins`: silly laundry sending coins to other people's addresses
asciilifeform: far more likely is the traditional hypothesis (bait), or a simple laundry.
asciilifeform: yes, i know about checkpoint; hence the need to rebroadcast periodically.
asciilifeform: it almost certainly fetches from blockchain.info or the like.
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, the receiver for these broadcasts doesn't implement a full node
mircea_popescu: old txn past the checkpoint may get pruned eventually.
asciilifeform: this is also a handy way to store bits in the chain that will never, under any conceivable scheme, get 'pruned.'
mircea_popescu: completely indistinguishable from any address this guy'd make
mircea_popescu: it can say whatever the hell it wants. every time you make a payment a fraction is sent to a wholly new address
asciilifeform: what's the best way to make them say 'goto hell' ?
asciilifeform: 'don't show these. this is a chumpnet artist'
asciilifeform: sure. but the idea is, let's say AV firm goes to blockchain.info and says
mircea_popescu: there's no benefit in using some "organic" address. nor does this actually exist.
mircea_popescu: eh get out, new addresses get used all the time
mircea_popescu: yes, which only means it has the checksum and starts with 1
asciilifeform: ideally the valid addr belongs to someone else
asciilifeform: the tx needs to be algorithmically indistinguishable from a 'civilian' tx
asciilifeform: who wouldn't love to see the server log for https://blockchain.info/address/1HrMpG9JZ71gzXHPdyo2dwcExhKRGtBjQg# ?
mircea_popescu: how did you figure that ?
asciilifeform: and, say, blockchain.info might decide to hide it
asciilifeform: because then the tx can be flagged as weird
mircea_popescu: why not use the whole thing ?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't the addrs actually be used as payload then ?
asciilifeform: the addrs are probably plucked out of the blockchain at random.
nubbins`: maybe. a few of the sends ended up on casascius rounds
mircea_popescu: more from the "nsa killed my auntie" club
asciilifeform: (other than 'consolidation bait')
asciilifeform: there's another answer to this
nubbins`: well, not sure of the motivation
ozbot: Cease and Desist Letter to ASICSRUS
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=318830.0 this is the funniest shit ever
nubbins`: asciilifeform: that's still happening