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benkay`: "So if I own a business I can sell shares on ripple using your service? I will need to look into this..."
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KRS1: did you guys se this
benkay`: the only fartup in which i'm taking equity right now is Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` why am i reading a french text in english ?!
nubbins`: "Another reflex is to call a general assembly at the slightest sign of movement, and vote. This is a mistake. The business of voting and deciding a winner, is enough to turn the assembly into a nightmare, into a theater where all the various little pretenders to power confront each other. Here we suffer from the bad example of bourgeois parliaments. An assembly is not a place for decisions but for
nubbins`: i think that's actually the complete text
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nubbins`: incomprehensibly, the printable version is english-only
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, i downloaded the printable version and read it as hard copy
nubbins`: asciilifeform, i'm gonna bookmark this
nubbins`: i first read this around the time "occupy" was floundering about. had a chuckle at one point where they decry the General Assembly as essentially the worst idea ever
nubbins`: it's not readily available in plain text
asciilifeform: "the answer lies in the sewers."
asciilifeform: speaking of truly bizarre, for anyone who missed it earlier:
nubbins`: seems like the sort of thing you might enjoy reviewing, if not reading
nubbins`: written by "the invisible committee", aka the Tarnac Nine
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
mircea_popescu: i'm doing internet muppets today.
nubbins`: i spoke to a guy who TURNED DOWN an offer of 30btc for his 10btc round.
nubbins`: as if somebody's going to pay a $13,000 premium for a round minted last year
nubbins`: then there are the fools who believe their coins are impossibly valuable -- plenty of 25btc rounds with asking prices of 40+btc
nubbins`: as if the face value of a coin has any bearing on its numismatic value
nubbins`: one of the interesting things about casascius coins is that nobody seems to know how to price them
asciilifeform: (though if i actually gave a damn about exploiting casascius, last thing i'd do is tell people about it.)
asciilifeform: well, chain of custody could help you avoid coins touched by people with dirty minds, like you and i.
nubbins`: to be fair, once the coin changes hands twice, a chain of custody is essentially useless
nubbins`: i took him up on it and have been offering to extend the chain to buyers. only one has taken me up on it so far.
asciilifeform: 'best way to predict the future is to invent it.'
nubbins`: everyone then rushed to get their coins graded and slabbed, as if the cat wasn't already out of the bag
nubbins`: at decfon last year, they managed to remove a holo while leaving only slight traces of tampering
asciilifeform: can't imagine it would survive a public reading of the key through the holo.
nubbins`: there's a high level of irrationality present in the subset of people who are into these coins
asciilifeform: crack one, crack them all...
asciilifeform: wonder if just us having this conversation shaved a few pennies of the market value of these things
nubbins`: switching gears for a second, looks like this gem will sell: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/331103983219?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
nubbins`: near the end of the video, he misses a bus by about two coats of paint
nubbins`: i like how they chose an asshole rider who blows red lights to demo their product
asciilifeform: ('m16' barrel wrench. single-piece combo tools are nothing new.)
nubbins`: "As you can see, the chap doing the demonstration is a qualified fixed-gear rider: With no brakes, he terrorizes pedestrians by running a red light at top speed and careers into London’s Picadilly Circus. He also has the obligatory skinny pants with Kryptonite Evo-Mini D-lock in the back pocket. Rest assured: this guy is a professional."
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nubbins`: that's quite the tangram
asciilifeform: china tests orbital laser cutter.
nubbins`: up next: 10 reasons why it's a bad idea to masturbate with a reciprocating saw
nubbins`: and another explaining the dangers of tightly wrapping your macbook's power cord around the brick
nubbins`: there's an article on how to properly wear a bike helmet
nubbins`: just clicking through related articles on wired
nubbins`: hence the derpiness of "how will we know the coins are funded?" regarding forthcoming self-funded coins
asciilifeform: well then.
nubbins`: not quite firstbits, but you can check the code against a published list
asciilifeform: if so, this means you can check your answer without popping the coin's cherry.
asciilifeform: btw, what's the thing printed on the top? 1st characters of key?
nubbins`: i'm about 70% of the way towards just giving you a coin to play with ;p
asciilifeform: treat the system as a grid of very small capacitors...
asciilifeform: you might even be able to use the piezo needle for x-y and a sensitive capacitance meter for the 'ink' signal.
asciilifeform: once you establish a way to pick up ink/no-ink on the holo side, the jig is up.
nubbins`: once you get a handle on the font, even a fairly low-res image would narrow things down to a reasonable set of possibilities
asciilifeform: stepper motor is geared so 1 step = x mm. of belt travel
asciilifeform: nope. you need oscillating analogue signal for the kind of distances involved
asciilifeform: one kid did an $50 demo (a decade or two ago?)
asciilifeform: STM (microscope) the holo side.
nubbins`: i think the holo itself would shrivel long before the paper browns, but point remains the same. as long as you can keep the reverse (or is it obverse?) at room-ish temperature
asciilifeform: brass with paper glued to it should suffice for a proof of concept.
asciilifeform: no need to use an actual coin to experiment
nubbins`: and nobody wanted to potentially flush a couple btc down the drain experimenting
nubbins`: anyway, i think the main reason nobody's tried slicing and dicing casascius coins until now is because the premiums were always so goddamn high
nubbins`: wait, is this even the same goddamn tech?
nubbins`: lee valley is a wondrous place for tinkerers and fiddlers
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asciilifeform: that's pretty easy. your tea kettle does much the same.
nubbins`: i've seen ones that will run off the temp differential between the top of the stove and the ambient air
nubbins`: the air in the room :D
asciilifeform: re: fireplace: nobody cancelled thermodynamics. your main problem will be to find a cold object for the other end of the peltier.
nubbins`: well, when these unfunded coins start hitting the market, i bet there's going to be some experimenting going on
asciilifeform: consumer cpu peltier isn't the answer here, you want a fat stack like the kind used in PCR machines.
nubbins`: my folks have a propane fireplace, but the fan obv doesn't circulate the heat when the power goes
nubbins`: i was looking at peltier fans the other day, actually
asciilifeform: peltier element stack. keep the paper at a comfortable 20C.
nubbins`: uh huh. right. sorry, no coffee yet today
asciilifeform: so you remove the heat on the other side.
nubbins`: regardless, there'd still be enormous heat transfer to the paper, no?
nubbins`: it cannot survive comfortably at the melt point of brass
nubbins`: would be tough to not roast the private key
asciilifeform: metal can be replicated with 19th c. tech.
nubbins`: you're telling me you can half a coin along its height and reattach it?
asciilifeform: or drill with same, then borescope.
asciilifeform: slice metal coin with appropriate tool (excimer laser?), read key, fuse metal again.
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nubbins`: wait the other side of what?
asciilifeform: yes, but is there a holo?
asciilifeform: what's on the other side?
asciilifeform: this, i take it, is the scheme?
nubbins`: i'm itching to try a few things, but i don't want to ruin a bunch of coins
jurov: it's harder than to figure out how to dissolve holo sticker glue, that's all
mircea_popescu: some time /!
jurov: yes, ofc seal can be duped, but it takes some time
nubbins`: lel 80yo woman with teddy bear hat walked up the road
nubbins`: why not just press wax against the seal to dupe it?
jurov: imho harder than to peel off holo sticker