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knotwork: or something. left margin larger
than right margin for
that line
mircea_popescu: now let's hope nobody else further breaks our nice site with
their IMPROVEMENTS
knotwork: its one line for me regardless of scrunching
the wondow smaller
kakobrekla: just seems more choppy
to me, putting in it front
knotwork: ah yes
there ya go but also just
tacking it on
the end doesnt seem as ncie as putting it in front I dont know why
mircea_popescu: are
they included in
the sense of not substracted, or included in
the sense of having been assesed.
kakobrekla: id go with "given current
time weight and assuming no one else bets, including fees"
knotwork: and saves having
to repeat
the "after fees" words on both
the yes line and
the no line
knotwork: sure, great, you are
the great writer/grammaticist/sequencer of words just so its clear is all I was after
mircea_popescu: "given current
time weight and assuming no one else bets" > "after fees, given current
time weight and assuming no one else bets" ?
knotwork: Maybe it would help
to have it say either "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC after fees" or say "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC before fees"
to make it crystal clean in your face kind of
thing
kakobrekla: thats why you have
the calc in
the first place.
knotwork: so I am
thinking
the "catch" is
that by
the
time
the betting is closed
the Yes would pay less
than what one bet
knotwork: even if
the weight didndt change by end of
time of liveness of
the bet, which it probably will
knotwork: if
that does not
take fee into account
the fee would eat almost 2/3rds of
the winnings
knotwork: resolved ones sure, what I am puzzling over is where it shows what a Yes or a No would pay on currently still running bet. FAQ seems
to indicate
that calculation is not including
the fee
kakobrekla: whatever is under 'out' in resolved bets
table it has
the fee
taken out.
kakobrekla: knotwork
the calculator on
the page is accounting for everything
knotwork: oh
the winnings listed/calculated already have
the fee
taken out?
The FAQ seems
to imply otherwise.
knotwork: 1% fee in effect it looks like.
two
thirds of
the currently estimated winnings
mod6: read da faq.
there is a weight.
knotwork: Are
there fees or somesuch
that will eat
the meagre win-profit if one bets yes
this late?
knotwork: wow looks like easy money
this late in
the game, what is
the catch?
mod6: is it also
the largest in number of confirmed bets?
mod6: thx for
the link :]
mircea_popescu: the current coat of romania is pretty much
the same, minus
the hermelin.
mircea_popescu: the flag had borne
the king's arms afore,
then after
the war
the communists copied
this form, just with a new design.
mircea_popescu: the coat of arms was associated with
the socialist republic
mod6: Speaking of holes, was
the signifigance of
the revolutionary flag in '89
to cut out
the old coat of arms?
knotwork: Its early adopter
time still for Open
Transactions based stuff, oculd be good potential
there...
knotwork: As it looks like going legal could be a big whole in
the law
that one
throws money into
knotwork: So would
there be much/any interest in some kind of "buy shares in a fully legally licensed etc etc Open
Transactions server" kind of offering?
knotwork: oh except maybe
the supposedly merged mine capable scrypt coin
knotwork: and none of
the sctypt coins save maybe possibly litecoin can afford
to let hashrate become
the selling point of choice
knotwork: currently cuteness of meme is
the bigger selling point it seems
knotwork: considering just hashrate its IXCoin
that is
the dark horse so far, high hash/difficulty yet not much mass buying yet
knotwork: depending on
the general prevalence of but-its-not-bitcoin sentiment
knotwork: Vircurex does for
those it lists. well it shows current hashrates no history plots etc
Apocalyptic: does anyone know of a website
that keeps
track of some altcoins hashrate ?
knotwork: otherwise I just continue
to hope
the open
transactions for grandmas is done soon
knotwork: yeah if anyone knows of a better exchange
that has namecoins devcoins and maybe even more merged mined coins I'mi nterested
to hear about it
mircea_popescu: so
they can pay off with
the proceeds
the other stuff
they got stolen from
knotwork: its like your bitcoins sitting on deposit get you free feshares while
they remain on deposit
Apocalyptic: <knotwork> Its not interest its just a portion off
the fees // where do you get
this from ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, dunno just saw
that on
the index page
knotwork: Its not interest its just a portion off
the fees
Apocalyptic: "We now pay interest on BTC, LTC, PPC, NVC and WDC account balances,
they are paid multiple
times every day. Check out
the help for details"
mircea_popescu: i mean... so knotwork is being much entertained.
that's fine
knotwork: At least
that Irish guy someone actually knew he he was had met him at conferences etc but even so "investing" in one kid running a homebrewed website seems a little dubious at
thebest of
time
mircea_popescu: i have
trouble seriously believing
they're in any sort of business
Apocalyptic: seriously i'm still amazed
they're in business
Apocalyptic: The loss of
the funds will be recovered out of
the monthly dividends. Dividends will be used
to purchase back
the missing funds in
the coming months. Depending on
the
trading volume development
this is expected
to
take 9
to 12 months."
knotwork: I havent even
taken a flutter on any shares
that *are* listed on MPEx yet
knotwork: But buying shares wow weird, first question I'd ask myself is why isn't it listed on MPEx,
the answer would likely
tip me off
knotwork: Part of why i stick
to vircurex is I long ago
took back everything I ever put
there plus lots of profit so everything at risk
there now is just more profit I could have
taken
mircea_popescu: the listing is full of lolz, i'll have
th egirl dig it up in
the morn.
knotwork: I
thought I saw just days ago
they have shares on some exchange or other
mircea_popescu: so i dunno what +rep you
think you saw or where, but i dun
think such a
thing occured.
knotwork: I was amazed people fell for
that when
the solidcoin guy did it
knotwork: I admit I never really paid any attention
to any of
the exhcanges offering shares stuff
knotwork: I
thought
the shares
thing was more recent
than
the "hacks"
knotwork: oh
the shareholders hold
the bag for making
the customers whole re
the hot wallet?
knotwork: They have shares out on some "exchange" or other is it something about
those?
knotwork: what "equity" are you
thinking of?
knotwork: huh? not sure what you mean.
They claimed hot wallet had been stolen
then
tht
they made up
the loss so no customers lost anything
mircea_popescu: they made
their "customers" whole on
the basis of stealing
their "investor's" equity.
knotwork: theey might simply have been
the inventors of
the lets say we got viciously hacked
then show how great we are by "making
the customers whole" PR
tactic
knotwork: Vircurex always made
the customers whole.
Though whether
there actually had been anything
to make
them whole about I dunno
knotwork: so VIrcurex's second such claim might have jsut been a PR response
to
the Russian response
to
the gain in rep Vircurex had got
the first
time around
knotwork: Claimed
to be hacked
twice and make good, but
the second claim seems more suspect
than
the first because after it got rep from
the first claim a russian site also
tried
the lets say we were hacked
then have customers not lose money way
to get rep