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mircea_popescu: tbh making
this list, by hand, would be
the qualification for being a bitcoin financial analyst.
this is
the certificate, like in
the old days of
the guilds,
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the
true value one receives from completing
this monstrous
task is attaining a knowledge equal only
to
the gods
themselves.
mircea_popescu: so you'd need
to add bitfunder, pre-2012 crap (since may 2011, on
the forum) and
that'd be about it
mircea_popescu: benkay everything
that ever actually
traded since april 2012
till
today is in
that list, except bitfunder stuff cause Ukyo never got with
the program.
benkay: that's not a canonical list
though, right?
there are other 'security'
trading operations not reporting
trades in -assets-trades, correct?
mike_c: it's funny cuz it's
true :) "biti konj" ?
benkay: are
the glbse assets on
that list?
dub: I had a peice of
that
dub: two lasts iirc so it went off
to be a
trail^Wglue horse
kakobrekla: i wonder if
that horse ever saw a stable
kakobrekla: the stakes were high, err, i mean
tasty.
KRS1: Oh so
the real sex here is
that
the btc can be worth many
timees what it is..I suppose it can go
the other way
too.
mike_c: well if you want a fiat CD i'm pretty sure
those are available..
KRS1: I'd rather not receive dividends in btc I suppose..Value is subject
to market price.
kakobrekla: (mind if he would be a month late, it would be
the month
that otc died)
jurov: one'll have
to check
the benkay's list
thoroughly, if he does it.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu re asset list, grep
the old assets logs
to compile one, you should be able
to get full glbse
there
benkay: Nefario: "I'm in China, English
teacher, slow/poorish Ruby webdev programmer."
mike_c: luckily our
tribes
to
the north are vital for only maple syrup
mircea_popescu: you know... it occurs
to me
the us is so utterly out of moneyz, it's actually running short on stuff
to pay its allies.
mircea_popescu: "This creation of a new city, piled on
top of
the massive
tribute owed
to
the Persians, as well as
the necessary donative
to
the army
to secure its acceptance of his accession, meant Philip was desperately short of money.
To pay for it, he ruthlessly increased levels of
taxation, while at
the same
time he ceased paying subsidies
to
the
tribes north of
the Danube
that were vital for keeping
the peace on
the frontiers."
mircea_popescu: ;;later
tell RBRubicon dude seriously, fix
that connection.
jurov: just curious, do preorder schemes apply for
that list?
mircea_popescu: pankkake "o i know, we'll rename mpex shit and pretend like we matter". gotta love
the kids.
pankkake: decentralized autonomous corporation and
the other I don't know
pankkake: "Further more
there is no company behind Sollar Bonds. As stated it is an Open-Sourced Dac with a Social Contract attached
to each bond. Google social contract. Sollar Bonds is not a company it is a DAC-DAO."
mircea_popescu: in
this sense,
the clue given is no different from
the clue of "we don't like your face very much"
mircea_popescu: now, you know
that
that's your address, but someone looking in doesn't.
mircea_popescu: tomorrow btc goes
to 10k. now your share yields .01 BTC a week,
thus is worth 1/10 what it was.
mircea_popescu: your share yields .1 BTC a week, and
thus is worth w/e .1 * riskfreerate comes
to.
mircea_popescu: KRS1 you have 1 btc. you invest it. company
trades it for 100 dollars, buys a hooker.
the hooker makes 10 dollars a week.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla
there is however a guarantee a
third party can't establish
they're your coins.
kakobrekla: btw benkay re mixing,
there is no g uarantee you will not get your own coins back
KRS1: If I'm an investor in a company using bitcoin and
the day after my investment, bitcoin market price shoots upward and remains high, it kind of sucks I'm still investor X having invested only btc $Y.
mircea_popescu: and some shitty
thing run by i forget who.
those were
the first
three.
mircea_popescu: there's also something run by uhhh... what was his name,
the weirdo indian guy
ozbot: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node -
The Bitcoin Mining Company
pankkake: maybe
the section did not exist
benkay: also an interesting note:
the oldest posts on
the securities forum on bitcointalk are from like march. was
there a db restore in which btctalk dropped all date information or something?
pankkake: if you invest in a bitcoin company, somehow you're also
thinking bitcoin will do well, right?
mike_c: if you want
to short BTC
there are better ways
than investing in one of
these companies.
KRS1: And if
the market price
tanked without rebounding?
mike_c: the problem is
that
the company is
then competing with
the BTC/fiat ROI
mircea_popescu: KRS1
the entire
thing revolves around
the empirical observation
that companies which did not spend
their ipo funds outperformed companies
that did spend
them, without exception.
KRS1: company seeking investment isn't buying
their goods/services in bitcoin and
they've properly funded
their venture. If
they cannot meet
their goals using
the solicited funds
thats another problem entirely.
KRS1: In reference
to "You Can Raise It But You Can't Spend It". Whats wrong with a company sticking
to
their business plan, soliciting for $X amount of funds, receiving it in bitcoin, converting it
to fiat?
Then
the proper execution of
the business plan can
take place with
the investment model of using bitcoins for funding. If
the value of bitcoins goes up or down, it does not matter.
The
kakobrekla: and dont forget
to put it in niggers.txt on
the end.
mircea_popescu: benkay im not rly hiring you
to do it
tho,
think of it as mostly volunteer work.
mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-assets : your daily source of insane ways
to spend all your free
time for great justice.
benkay: mircea_popescu: given
the "ungodly" amount of work involved i
think perhaps 2 btc
kakobrekla: should be fairly quick
to bruteforce
this
pankkake: shouldn't be hard
to brute force actually, not many chars
KRS1: In other words,
the companies seeking investment would have
to purchase
their goods/services in bitcoin in order
to do
this.
kakobrekla: the numbers is
the last price at which
the asset
traded
KRS1: mircea_popescu: so
the IPO/bitcoin investment model is similar
to
the
trading style where you want
to increase your bitcoin instead of fiat (in hopes
to buy back lower)?
benkay: mike_c:
too bad it's not listified
mircea_popescu: with recent ones all
the scum will have an incentive
to argue about shit.
mike_c: plus, doesn't have
to be complete
to publish. start with recent ones and work backwards.
kakobrekla: ok i have
this crazy and mostly useless
thing one sec
mircea_popescu: some
twerps (goat, etc) deleted
their posts, obviously.
kakobrekla: and everything
that went aside exchanges
mircea_popescu: well obviously a pankkake-style list isn't
too helpful
benkay: what, is
this a list or a review of each individual scam!?