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asciilifeform: i still don't get the preoccupation with 'postals.' biggest postal body count to date still belongs to the fellow with the jerry can
Vexual: regulations changed in australia, now we have more unlicensed guns than the bad parts of la
Mats_cd03: some regulations about a 10 round magazine and mag release fuckery ain't gonna stop that
Mats_cd03: if i'm going to shoot up a mall i'm going to find the biggest magazine i can find, prob 40 rounds, and then i'm going to get a weapon that takes less than 5 seconds to reload
decimation: I think the new thing is that the next magazine has a key to pop off the last one
Mats_cd03: its like this
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: used to be that you could pop those open with an unspent round, but the regulations were changed, if i recall
Mats_cd03: so you end up using a fucking pen to pop your 10 round mag out
Mats_cd03: theres this regulation that assault weapons have to be sold with this special magazine release
Mats_cd03: i live in the union so theres lots of regs everywhere
Vexual: flingin crts with one hand workls too
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: afaik, in most u.s. states nobody has to register anything short of machine gun
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you do have a good point there in principle, but im not so sure the laptop resolves the movement problem.
nubbins`: i'm not so sure that "computing" is a battlefield
Mats_cd03: no need to register it if you leave it at home
Mats_cd03: i want to tell all of you that live in murica to buy an antique handgun
Mats_cd03: now that we're talking about firearms
mircea_popescu: i think that's how they started calling them "molls"
mircea_popescu: i saw that movie too!
asciilifeform: because you'd still like to move around with it
Mats_cd03: only if you turn both pistols sideways
asciilifeform: but note that DE, rather than Maxim
mircea_popescu: there is an absolute limit to the smallest firearm usable on a battlefield. so in computing. the laptop is below that limit.
asciilifeform: 'what can two planes do, that no single plane, regardless of cost, can do? be in two places.'
nubbins`: while they bleed out
nubbins`: so they can drunkenly stagger towards enemy snipers firing shots
asciilifeform: the 'two airplanes' theorem applies
nubbins`: afaik they give pistols to suspected heroes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason no one is in a hurry to dispense with man-portable arms
Mats_cd03: i used to own a S&W revolver what about it
nubbins`: hm, this tadpole used openvms?
asciilifeform: bought an 'eeepc' once, threw it out in disgust
decimation: I donno, qualcomm is probably more scummy than intel
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war << this is facually true
nubbins`: and ask them to do a bespoke one for ya
asciilifeform: it's like someone held a contest, 'make something even more dubious than an intel box'
nubbins`: just call up that company whose laptops RMS uses
decimation: well it was probably meant for phones/tablets to run the RF stuff
asciilifeform: running a weird undocumented instr set (!) blob at all times
Mats_cd03: im sure it exists but i havent seen malware that targets both armv6
asciilifeform: ibm 701C? the one with the folding kbd?
decimation: although that doesn't detect chip fiddling
asciilifeform: Vexual: if your idea of a portable computer is a briefcase with a tv and raspi, more power to you
Mats_cd03: if i'm really, really worried about getting pwned i guess i could use a raspi with a usb drive to bridge the air gap
decimation: well, if you want to DIY laptop you might as well join up with bunnie, at least he is going with open/auditable firmware
Vexual: build the rest with arundio
Mats_cd03: so having a chromebook to do things that might be sensitive is great
Vexual: i thought thats what all the kids had now
Mats_cd03: im at the stage where i know a lot about netsec but very little about practical mitigation of threats
asciilifeform: (zap the google crap)
Mats_cd03: fuck me but i actually like that
nubbins`: Mats_cd03, chromebooks are essentially dumb terminals
nubbins`: i'm not so sure this "unix laptop" thing ever existed, aside from a few isolated instances
asciilifeform: if i recall, there was even an Alpha laptop once.
Mats_cd03: chromebooks are about as good as its going to get imo
nubbins`: did they EVER have a "unix laptop"?
asciilifeform: (even if this is approximately true, the devil lies in the remaining cases)
decimation: HP was killed by idiots who were drunk at the party in the 90's MP mentions
asciilifeform: to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw <<< shit, laptops just got killed.
decimation: it seems there would be a market for a "rhel laptop" like the tadpole was for sun though
decimation: yeah, laptops are going to require some level of hardware/firmware/driver integration
decimation: well ascii, part of the problem with your lack of unix laptop is that there aren't any unix hardware manufacturers anymore
gribble: sturles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <sturles> I've upgraded my clients to latest git. Not forwarding or mining silly dust spam any more.
nubbins`: did i tell you guys about the coworker i had who used time machine for version control?
Vexual: how much is a ticket?
KRS-: Anyone going to the Berlin Bitcoin conference, PM me for 20% discount code.
asciilifeform: if you don't feel like taking the box down, there are clever ways
decimation: well, that's fine if you want to ensure your system isn't modifying files while you write the clone?
Vexual: reasonable meaning that we are here and can see about 100 meteres across the shere of earth if it were the universe
mircea_popescu: Vexual actually, on earth iron and nickel are, not tin.
decimation: ascii I want something that has a reasonable off-line backup system that will restore from an external drive, like time machine
mircea_popescu: i vaguely remember that earth is actually "reasonably" representative of the actual unviersal distribution of elements.
mircea_popescu: decimation planet earth is not really far off the universal average is it ?
decimation: that's why the democrats wanted to adopt the silver standard - it would be extremely beneficial to the "little people" - debtors all over the midwest
Mats_cd03: is there more silver or gold in existence
Vexual: maybemoreso than 110 y later
decimation: I mean, the election of 1886 was about whether there should be a silver or gold standard - and the gold won!
mircea_popescu: course... you're quite healthy "yet" the day after you've fucked all the girls at the pit stop too.
decimation: Indeed, what is interesting is that how little of the communism that had taken over Europe in the late 1800's had actually affected America
asciilifeform: the information they receive?'
asciilifeform: them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they
asciilifeform: number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help
asciilifeform: and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever
asciilifeform: 'do Americans want three-ring binders,
mircea_popescu: and then... here we are.
mircea_popescu: it'd have blossomed again, im sure, but europe bleed it twice in 50 years
mircea_popescu: yeah, well. the people whose retarded children followed lincoln in his nazi adventure.
decimation: I was a little confused. In the us, this is a forgotten part of our history in the popular mind
nubbins`: life's like that
mircea_popescu: i guess i went a little circular there lol
mircea_popescu: not yet matched, and no more time.
mircea_popescu: the peak of us civilisation was the golden generation
decimation: Perhaps the 1960's-90's will be regarded as the peak of "us civilization"
Namworld: Time to clean up now
mircea_popescu: party's over, but yeah, that one chick with nice tits that took her top off... what a hoot.
mircea_popescu: you can feel it, in retrospect. all this govt money everyone had... greatest party of all time.
decimation: that's true. it was a unique time
mircea_popescu: the 1990 us (lots of people with lots of welfare money to throw around) is not coming back. ever.