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mircea_popescu: a, a. they're both taboo transgressive, but i doubt they're the same thing really.
mircea_popescu: afaik women kinda throw up at it.
mircea_popescu: which quip, the vulnerability ?
nubbins`: some prefer one, some the other, some both. but the motivation stems from the same source
nubbins`: consider another angle: humans are driven to have sex because of sexual urges. doesn't mean all humans want to have sex with both genders
mircea_popescu: maybe there's something here but perhaps too complicated to easily detach
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: sure, and the same attraction to items from a time past is what brings people to collect both
Vexual: and the whisky is arely in another castle
mircea_popescu: as a non-steroid riddled non-ape that has slapped bucnhes of butts purple i tell you i see no appeal in hangings at all.
nubbins`: propriety brought both out of the public eye
nubbins`: no, that the same process made them popular in the first place.
mircea_popescu: so the proposition here is that the same process took out hangings and spankings ?
nubbins`: just that these are common enough things that share a common characteristic
nubbins`: i'm not saying everyone in the town was jacking off at the gallows
mircea_popescu: so when's the last time you gave the missus a good spanking ?
nubbins`: and in a pinch, a recollection of the hanging
nubbins`: the wetness of an impaling is just icing on the cake
nubbins`: doesn't even need to be witnessed
nubbins`: even thinking about it gets people riled up
nubbins`: or a room full of dudebros swapping stories of tricking women into having sex or beating up nerds
nubbins`: nothing to even look at
nubbins`: consider the age of 1-900 sex chat
nubbins`: it's a power thing
mircea_popescu: http://hosted.ap.org/photos/D/d728d07d-87f7-4b85-baf6-7540d3a22af6-big.jpg < exactly what it says on the tin
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this would explain the fact that everybody loved a good impalement, etc. in times gone by. but hanging? seems boring.
nubbins`: and why all those things have a habit of getting tangled up with each other occasionally
nubbins`: this is why they enjoy humiliation, torture, gore, etc as well as sex
nubbins`: well sure, but a technicality
asciilifeform: but there it was.
asciilifeform: no gore as such, even. never having attended a hanging, i've no idea why the audience creams its pants along with the fellow dancing the hempen jig
decimation: Belarussian hackers probably have unique insight in how to create proper communism
nubbins`: belarus, they make nice coins
asciilifeform: hangings in the 19th c. were apparently quite stimulating to the audience.
mircea_popescu: U.S. intelligence agencies last week urged the Obama administration to check its new healthcare network for malicious software after learning that developers linked to the Belarus government helped produce the website, raising fresh concerns that private data posted by millions of Americans will be compromised.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was it because hangings got too close to masturbation for the victim ?
asciilifeform: 'Edison and the Electric Chair', Mark Essig
asciilifeform: it was 'moralists.' too much fun
asciilifeform: decimation: it's worth your time to read about how and why public hangings went away
mircea_popescu: is what i want to know.
mircea_popescu: decimation why is it considered horrific to show kids nipples
decimation: why is it considered horrific to broadcast hangings in the US, but not horrific to broadcast "fiction" featuring people murdering regularly?
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: sometimes the prosecution gets fucked, but they don't really have to pay the bill when it comes
Mats_cd03: i mean fuck they're pitting lawyers against each other, someone is going to get fucked and its not the prosecution
mircea_popescu: nubbins` fun fact : guy did this in timisoara ~5 years ago. he was acquited.
Mats_cd03: it has been an adversarial judicial system its entire existence...scalia agrees on this account
nubbins`: i might as well just shoot the other one, and my daughter too?
nubbins`: shoot one of them
mircea_popescu: until you get to business and commercial matters.
nubbins`: so i come home to find my wife in bed with another man
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 the civil law is actually a lot saner
asciilifeform: for that matter,winblows itself is a good cultural portrait of the civilization that shat it forth
Mats_cd03: the process has always been a laughing stock, we just invented the internet recently and tell each other about it
mircea_popescu: i affirm the system is fucking microsoft windows.
mircea_popescu: i don't dispute the system works.
asciilifeform: 'yer paroled but got 3000 yrs to go'
asciilifeform: they eliminate parole in jurisdictions where the judge cannot (or for political/historical reasons) won't do so.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda what i'm pointing out here. it makes a laughingstock of the process.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'geological time' sentences, if i recall, serve a mundane bureaucratic purpose
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i don't suppose the punishment discourages anyone who commits an offence
nubbins`: "actually this whole town is full of nerds"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` do you suppose the 4955th year discourages anyone ?
nubbins`: don't you suppose that would encourage people to just keep on driving after they've struck someone?
mircea_popescu: unless there's a special law for 3 people, murder is murder.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: same punishment for striking one person with your car vs driving through a crowd, mowing down dozens?
mircea_popescu: there's not a "now for x, tomorrow for y" bs.
mircea_popescu: i'm in jail, i'm in jail. it applies to all possible reasons i might be in jail.
mircea_popescu: only cause teh us is completely in wtf mode.
nubbins`: do i have to wash the same number of dishes as the guy who only ate half a pizza?
mircea_popescu: and besides, they run concurrently anyway.
mircea_popescu: if you eat twice, maybe you're punished twice.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what is this, the market ?
decimation: public hangings ought to be mandatory viewing for the entire population
nubbins`: sure, but if i go to a pizza place and eat a full pizza, do i get charged for one slice?
mircea_popescu: he did one thing. it's one crime.
asciilifeform: in the old days, you could have your breaking on the wheel 'commuted' to mere beheading, if there were 'extenuating circumstances'
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you can't commit the crime x times, unless you do x things.
asciilifeform: they're stuck with the monotony of allowed punishments
mircea_popescu: o, the header ? me with some local kids in a bar
Mats_cd03: at the top
nubbins`: and he committed the crime 87 times, they say
decimation: why not just convict on one "count" then, and if you want him to suffer more, convict him of the next?
Mats_cd03: ive spent five minutes now just examining the man's beard and the other guy's arm hair
nubbins`: and what sort of justice equates the killing of one with the killing of dozens?!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: unfortunately there's no separate crime for "killing 87 people"
Mats_cd03: is there context for the photo on trilema
mircea_popescu: he did ONE thing.
mircea_popescu: this "counts" bs the us does still boggles.
decimation: how can the guy who signed that letter face himself in the mirror
mircea_popescu: González was charged with 174 counts of murder—- two for each victim—- and was found guilty on 87 counts of arson and 87 counts of murder on August 19, 1991. For each count he received the sentence maximum of 25 years to life (a total of 4,350 years). It was the most substantial prison term ever imposed in the state of New York
decimation: lol the shoestring
asciilifeform: this doesn't fly today
nubbins`: "Upon further review, we have determined that the string by itself is not a machinegun"
asciilifeform: during 'prohibition', there were folks who sold stills in parts, with detailed instructions for 'what not do to' with them
mircea_popescu: benkay it's still a scam, but this month more quoting wikipedia less quoting trilema
asciilifeform: decimation: these folks will probably end in the gasenwagen. see the infamous 'shoelace machine gun' precedent.
ozbot: BitBet, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Vexual: asciilifeform: supercession seems to work better
decimation: PLEASE NOTE: CA-Legal Magazine Repair / Rebuild Kits are to be used to 1) repair or rebuild your existing legally owned high capacity magazines or 2) permanently block to 10 rounds or 3) store in a disassembled condition for use outside of California. They are not intended for reassembly into new high capacity magazines, which would be a felony under California law.
ozbot: San Francisco Targets 'Repair Kits' That Skirt California's Gun Magazine Limit - Hit & Run : Reason.
Vexual: everyone handed in their crts tho