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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you don't get it : the "Reputation" bs is institutionalized oppression. in any system where group x has "reputation for y-bad" you know for a fact that a) group z is in charge ; b) group z is y-bad and c) group x is not.
ben_vulpes: kinda interesting how haskell has yet to eke out a foothold around here.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582749 << this is like saying "it's a lot easier to find call girl than incredibly hot girl bored out of her wits at every single party because every single dude is trained by figure 4 above to aim low and won't even talk to her." ☝︎
ben_vulpes: and lisp weenies get a reputation for smugness
ben_vulpes: in specific grading a lisp 'c' for 'prototyping support' (review panel completely ignorant of repls i suppose) and 'c' for 'high level structuring' (macros don't exist i guess?)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 16:59 phf: dc is kind of shitty that they (very few flight schools closebuy, with a lot of wealthy people learning to fly), but there was airport near philly where you could flag any of their instructors and they'd love to fly you around however long you want whether or not you commit to you "recreational" license
davout: ok, maybe i just suck at engrish, "prong" is either a hole, or a pin poking out of the socket, the poking out one, being connected to the "ground pin", said ground pin being in the soil?
asciilifeform: btw a decent ups has this test built-in, and will eggog if it finds that 3rd pin (ground) does not conduct to cold prong (or, worse, has + voltage on it..)
davout: but if it's not connected to anything, how can i observe a tension between it and a socket hole?
asciilifeform: the resistance between ground and 'cold' pin should be immeasurably small, in a properly built socket
asciilifeform: but it wasn't a wire, it was a small neodymium magnet
Framedragger: reminds me of some guy who put a wire under his hand's skin, and made compass needle modulate the current (or somesuch). claims that after 2-3 weeks he had gained a genuinely new sense (of absolute direction)...
asciilifeform: it wasn't even acutely painful, just same sensation as if you had sat on your hand for a while
asciilifeform: a wristwatch-shaped thing that put current through left wrist
asciilifeform: at one time, when i actually had to ride this train every day, i found a barbaric voodoo cure that worked 100%
asciilifeform: now the train drives like a bus.
davout: i now have this mental image of you reading on a rollercoaster
asciilifeform: the underground train in washington lurches, bumps, it is a very sad thing
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 18:32 davout: i have nfi about the US, but in france there's a specific ultralight license
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 17:22 davout: hey! i still use ms word as a vim simulator!!!11
davout: i distinctly remember getting on the train to paris as a kid to go buy the full game
davout: not *a* f/a-18 hornet duh
davout: http://www.old-games.com/screenshot/4238-2-f-a-18-hornet-3.jpg
asciilifeform: a bit out of my price range...
davout: asciilifeform: get yourself F/A-18 hornet
asciilifeform: and, while mircea_popescu played 'meat doom', it is not a pleasure available 'on tap' to everybody.
asciilifeform: so it only exists in imagination, in games, just like you cannot go and play 'meat tetris' very well by digging a real hole and throwing stones into it
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit orig. thread, the thing i found appealing about 'air shooters' as a boy, was not the abstract 'grease wank' of 'oooh, engines, and gears' but the quick-with-your-eyes-hands-feet-shootout aspect of the game, which is not something that exists today in meatspace even in actual air combat (where you program the rocket, fire, and go home)
davout: i have nfi about the US, but in france there's a specific ultralight license ☟︎
davout: you can become a private pilot for 5k$ if you're good and do homework between each lessaon
thestringpuller: Give a farmer some good booze he'll take you up in the cropduster.
asciilifeform: we had a neato inertial navigation thread, but i can't seem to find igt.
davout: no moving parts? measures a momentum? same thing!
davout: i had no idea such a thing as a gyrolaser existed
davout: i've borrowed a bunch of theory books too, and tbh the learning process itself seems pretty cool too
davout: also the "maybe it's a really boring job, maybe it's really cool" question that could conclusively be answered with "let's fucking try"
davout: i don't think it's the "piloting" part that's attractive to me, but more the "let's go see the sun" when all the other derps are stuck under a shitty stratus shittus overcast layer
asciilifeform: and even if it did not, nobody's doing acrobatics in a 400 tonne barge full of schmucks
asciilifeform: davout: understandably this is a matter of taste; but out of curiosity, where is the fun ? computer -- does ~all of the actual piloting
asciilifeform: davout: afaik that's about as much fun as being a bus driver... but iirc it pays well.
davout: i'm kinda considering getting myself a professionnal licence, to fly the big guys
davout: around paris, a 150 with gas, and instructor will cost you 140€/hr
davout: if you find a flight school that's also renting it from you or something like that
davout: but seriously, you're a lucky bastard if you live accross the street from an airport
asciilifeform: last time i used vim, i landed on a wing and burned to a cinder.
asciilifeform: davout imho is correct! vim needs a sim! to train on, so as not to die in the real deal.
davout: hey! i still use ms word as a vim simulator!!!11 ☟︎
asciilifeform: to this last question, i know the answer very well, it is not a mystery
davout: asciilifeform: there's a big difference between "simming" and "playing"
phf: asciilifeform: i don't have any peripherals. i use it for their instrument challenges, and they also have a mode where they randomly fail something in the plane and you need to figure out what do. that sort of stuff
asciilifeform: at uni i roomed with an old friend, who dreamed of flying, ended up practicing with xplane, studying like maniac, paid his 20k, got the license, then bought, instead of airplane... a ship. which is afaik rusting in port still.
asciilifeform: if you were to go ~every week~ (why???) then yes, save a few pennies. but then your life expectancy is a few years.
asciilifeform: but it typically costs ~same to go to 1000km in it, as in a passenger liner.
asciilifeform: if a 50k rusty 'cessna' could go across ocean, that'd be one thing.
phf: but anyway, it's fun. not quite the same as a sim, i've no idea what these people are on about, but worth it if you have the cash. in fact if you can stretch 10k over a year, getting a license is not a bad idea
phf: dc is kind of shitty that they (very few flight schools closebuy, with a lot of wealthy people learning to fly), but there was airport near philly where you could flag any of their instructors and they'd love to fly you around however long you want whether or not you commit to you "recreational" license ☟︎
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582570 << you also have "intro classes" that'll run you $150 or so with a reputable firm for half hour. i'm sure those same instructors would bring up the plane more than once under similar circmustances: you get to sit in the cockpit and "hold the joystick" at cruising ☝︎
asciilifeform: (boeing is the one exception i know of, it had a genuine history earlier, even a brief airline monopoly -- but then absorbed also)
mircea_popescu: this being the destructive idiocy of eating bad money - you're left without a company.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510793 << not quite this, but a start. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: for what it's worth, could be a lengthy pile of perl just as well.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:22 mircea_popescu: sql-to-api thing is actually not half a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582487 << to expand on this : such a model would actually do away with the browser altogether ; just discuss with servers in something like an extended irc client. (yes yes i know, emacs.) ☝︎
Framedragger did a bit of privileged-teen-mode some years ago. "paying for life expenses with money earned from doing work" helpz
mircea_popescu: I believe it takes all kinds to make a working world, but what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as n
asciilifeform: apparently d00d has a dope problem..?
asciilifeform: 'Kokesh has called for a "new American revolution" and has announced plans to run for President in 2020 on the platform of an "orderly dissolution of the federal government."' << pediwik
mircea_popescu: and what prythee is a kokeshist!
mircea_popescu: " on the Net, people argue about whether year 2000 is a leap year or not, so it's not as if you can rely on the answers you get."
Framedragger: hehe, don't know particulars, but it should be noted that he studied philosophy and in some of the circles he had to have business with, ayn rand sorta-has a place as a non-crackpot. hence the (arbitrary, otherwise) particular object of hate
Framedragger: [that reminds me, i bought a postcard of ayn rand and am yet to send this to a friend who is in full hate mode of her stuff. need to get this done for the festive season...]
asciilifeform: he also vagabonded around usa as a young man, was involved in aynrandism, then was cured, and left.
asciilifeform wonders how much of 'naggumism' actually exists in the written word, and how much -- as a synthesis in his head
asciilifeform contemplates a 'naggumbot'
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:32 Framedragger: i'd actually like to see a coherent and all-in-one-place SQL / RDBMS-as-a-general-model critique some time. maybe it exists. usually it's mongodb hipsters complaining randomly, so i'd developed a (too-)generic "ignore 'em all" filter :p
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582523 << consider this, if there were a non-idiotic db system, it would be your filesystem also! ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582504 << this sounds like a terrible idea. directly expose what amounts to 100s of MB of crapolade code by heathens, rather than 1pg by actual person ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: fwiw a sysadmin uses ~100% vi...
mircea_popescu: so a) use vim ; b) there's a humongo economy of strokes, at the cost of muscle memory, if youy care. if you don't car,e go ahead.
asciilifeform: they ain't a 'mode'
asciilifeform: well i have here a keyboard with two whole extra rows of prog f keys that dun display to screen
asciilifeform: but not exactly a weekend project.
asciilifeform: fwiw i had a colleague who was in iraq and pointedly played 'call of duty: iraq' while there.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much like fucking - dun much matter if YOU're a virgin.
mircea_popescu: nah it's safe, you get a trainer with you there.
Framedragger: well, iac it's a shame no decent game controllers are available, true that :/
asciilifeform: but no, you don't even get to touch airplane for fiddybux in usa. insurance for your so much as farting on it, is a hundy.
asciilifeform: though possibly what mircea_popescu was describing for fiddybux was a tourism sort of thing, different.
Framedragger: aite, that's a chunk of money for sure, i'd've thought it to have been lower than that :(
Framedragger: i don't know how it is in the .us and it's prolly *quite* a bit more complicated than that, also i had the lucky chance of having a relative who'd invite to fly with him and show me basic flight control stuff, but are you not able to get lessons as a total noob?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 11:01 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582453 << he makes an excellent point. sign up for a class, you get someone to be there with you who can actually fly the thing, and also get to fuck with the controls. best of both worlds, and it's very much in the $50 for 5 minutes range, just gotta commit to a few hours' worth.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: except you're not paying for the full retail price of a harley, and you don't need to train for 10 years? :)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 06:14 davout: asciilifeform: why'd you want simming anyway? go to your local airport and get a couple hours, flying is cheap in the US
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582453 << i can see this pov, 'instead of playing race game for a few hrs, i'ma buy harley and go to the desert and train for 10 years' ☝︎
trinque: seems a guy like guido has a particularly bad case of delusional narcissism, too.
mircea_popescu: kinda how the entire modern insanity came about. "oh, people are more productive when they THINK they're good, irrespective of how good they are" "yeah, but telling people who aren't good that they're good convincingly has a cost" "well, what if we try and arbitrage the delta-productivity from the first against the marginal-cost from 2nd ?!" "dude what" "no really, if we made all the tools really shitty ? and mass production
Framedragger: the "UI/programming-language" juxtaposition is quite apparent when writing pl/pgsql. i dunno, it's a weird feeling.
trinque: and this is given as a general whiff of endless haphazardness in SQL
trinque: Framedragger: I'll give you a morsel to chew while I make coffee
Framedragger: trinque: right right, so you're talking about SQL as a language, fair enough