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nubbins`: mike_c, ah, the toilet? that's okay, then
benkay: not hardly. it's more along the lines of "seeing clearly in the fog is difficult", nubbins`. not "everything is foggy so fuck it".
kakobrekla: everything is locel on the net
mike_c: but he threw his butt in the toilet. it was announced on btctalk.
nubbins`: benkay, that's about two steps from "what IS reality?"
benkay: there is only noise in the universe. moments of signal are rare and unusual and vanish rapidly. thermodynamics at work.
mike_c: this is like imagining that the btctalk retardation will hurt bitcoin.
asciilifeform: the question we're about to learn the answer to is close to: 'does the average person actually appreciate toilets and garbage trucks? or would be be just as happy using his local beach?'
nubbins`: "fuck the signal, here's some more noise"
nubbins`: "so what if we're helping turn cryptocurrency into a digital liberia"
benkay: but "good money drives out bad", asciilifeform. every local government can print their own fiat, demand taxes in their own shitcoin, and all of the wealth will stay in bitcoin.
ozbot: LiveLeak.com - WELCOME TO SHIT BEACH
nubbins`: you've got that part right, at least
nubbins`: fuck everything, it's the road's fault for being there
mike_c: yes, we can. the world has not yet crumbled from tossed cig butts.
nubbins`: mike_c: yeah, who cares! we can do this forever!
pankkake: fucking fuck, now it connects, but every block is an orphan to it…
mike_c: i like that analogy. so TaT threw a cig butt on the ground. who cares?
asciilifeform: just like the alt author.
asciilifeform: every cig thrower is king of his own universe for a few seconds
asciilifeform: naturally, people will shit out alts. nothing i can say here would put the slightest dent in it. just as they will continue to throw cigarette butts from cars.
Duffer1: #maxcoin mining and buying panic is building... all system look good to go. @maxcoinproject
ThickAsThieves: I think you have limited the possible futures too much
mike_c: i think you are vastly overestimating public knowledge of even the existence of altcoins
asciilifeform: getting used to central control, pre-mining by national mints, and all of the traditional joys of fiat.
asciilifeform: and chumps will flock to them.
asciilifeform: in the latter, fiat infusions will make these boobycoins appear to be (temporarily) valuable
pankkake: in the end most of the feature is calling gpgv
pankkake: it's wasn't really about working, but I didn't want to add a dependency for nothing
asciilifeform: benkay: one of the big strengths of classic btc is that it is a schelling point.
mike_c: pankkake: curious what you were trying to do that was not working with the python gpg lib?
benkay: asciilifeform: would you elaborate on how cranking out altcoins will do *anything* to bitcoin?
pankkake: in the end, for what I wanted to do, I ended up calling gpg directly
asciilifeform: ignoring morality entirely. if you'd like to live in a future where crypto-coins are a useful thing, vs. a fogotten fad, think twice about cranking out spamcoins.
nubbins`: nobody's saying that either
nubbins`: nobody's saying that
ThickAsThieves: so enabling the more efficient creation of Altcoins is moral, but making one is not
pankkake: I doubt the performance issues of pympex are in the Python code ;)
nubbins`: PMTs = "a better" way to invest?
jurov: pankkake: rewrite pympex (but dunno if there's portable gpg C library)
ThickAsThieves: mircea is scammer too?
ThickAsThieves: and what of this grand plan to make a better coingen.io?
mike_c: pankkake: take something slow in one of your python programs and write a C module for it
asciilifeform: very basic game theory.
ThickAsThieves: you really see it that way?
asciilifeform: for the same reason that a town has more than one burglar
ThickAsThieves: didnt require bitcoin to do so
ThickAsThieves: why hasnt that been cleaned up?
ThickAsThieves: by that argument why do we allow more than one fiat?
nubbins`: what he's saying is piss in the fucking toilet
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: merely that the world would stink less if people could agree to piss in toilets, or the woods, but not apartment lobby.
pankkake: I need to find something interesting to write in C
pankkake: thanks, this is also what I found :)
ThickAsThieves: or that there is only one place to piss
ThickAsThieves: no, you are trying to say pissing shouldnt happen at all
pankkake: does anyone here know basic C? how do I print, say, 0x0b? I want it to be 0x0b on the screen, or similar
Duffer1: getting from here to there would probably be very interesting though
asciilifeform: somewhere in russia, a drunk is unzipping, preparing to piss in an apartment lobby. you prod him, he answers 'drunks will always piss in lobbies. you can't just will it away.'
Duffer1: i believe that is the likely outcome as well ascii
Duffer1: paging mircea_popescu , mircea_popescu to the desk please
asciilifeform: Duffer1: we already know the outcome. that's what makes it a distinctly disappointing experiment.
mike_c: imagine a grid with 100 tiny squares and 1 enormous square. Add as many tiny squares as you want, the Schelling point remains.
Duffer1: lets put aside the moralizing and focus on the likely outcome of the experiment
ThickAsThieves: altcoins are seeking their place, itll always be dynamic, but they will have a place
asciilifeform: 'no drop of water believes that it is to blame for the flood' etc.
pankkake: it's pchMessageStart, but I'm not sure how to reverse-engineer it
ThickAsThieves: you cant stop it if thats the path
asciilifeform: by destroying the Schelling point.
asciilifeform: the proliferation of chumpcoins sets the stage for this
asciilifeform: the other thing, your alt may be 'honest', but plenty are not. say, quite soon governments will begin herding people (through guile or force) into national altcoins.
ThickAsThieves: there will be wealth in more coins than bitcoin, for as long as this paradigm can even exist
nubbins`: let them eat cake!
ThickAsThieves: its nothing to do with chumping people
asciilifeform: live by the chumps, die by the chumps. who are fickle.
ThickAsThieves: let them compete, idc
mike_c: that's not trouble if he's not trying to harvest chumps
asciilifeform: the trouble with chump harvesting, morals aside, is that there is always a new, slicker chump-harvesting artist coming to town.
TomServo: TomServo | ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: good luck with the chump harvesting.
nubbins`: you're trying to rationalize your lelcoin right now, in this conversation
ThickAsThieves: doesnt need to be better
denlove: I wish I had someone send bitcoin to please. 16ZdMuyrVuuupSjVZyPmBWwjHsbcweKGUk
asciilifeform: 'a) repaint your black car. it should be blue. b) why should i ? a) blue is just as good as black b) wtf a) here, i'll sell you some paint b) what's the value to me a) it doesn't need added value, blue is better '
ThickAsThieves: you are saying the NEED is required for value to exist
nubbins`: just that there's the potential for learning, growth, new thought processes, etc
asciilifeform: then your real proposition is 'i ought to be Satoshi and will use the powers for Good'
nubbins`: nobody's saying you NEED to test new concepts
ThickAsThieves: again i think this is a false assumption as well, alts needing new concepts
nubbins`: but a big machine that spits out slightly tweaked alts isn't
asciilifeform: if there's added value ('i've an nsa-resistant work-function, here, look') we're all ears.
nubbins`: altcoins are a great way to test out new concepts
nubbins`: i don't assume that
asciilifeform: just asking the question of where the added value is.
nubbins`: do tell!
ThickAsThieves: the problem is you are making assumptions that are false
mike_c: if you accept the axiom that any coin besides bitcoin has no value.
nubbins`: sure it is, they're trading one terrible choice for another
asciilifeform: this is more like getting all of the addicts to buy from one large dealer instead of quitting
ThickAsThieves: i dont think that's a proper comparison
jborkl: not to the dealers