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chipug: max keiser's twitter page gives me a headache
chipug: TomServo: no i think this just popped up today in response to maxcoin
TomServo: chipug: Oh, hadn't seen that. I thought you meant Max's actual coin.
benkay: dudes does anyone know where the initial peers are stored in the litecoin codebase?
nubbins`: do they even internet?
nubbins`: wow, ALL the comments so far are about the "new look" of /.
nubbins`: five bucks says they used BRAP vols. 3/4
TomServo: nubbins`: saw that, my sides.
nubbins`: i see a bike around town sometimes with wheels like that
nubbins`: too treacherous outside to ride in the winter tho, even with studded tires
nubbins`: benkay: i use the gym for the bikes in winter :)
Duffer1: have i asked that?
Duffer1: just reopening trading or are you going for another round of financing?
the20year: Tomorrow is the big day :D
pankkake: waste of time :(
pankkake: meh, anyway I don't know what to do with it
pankkake: lol getrawtranscation doesn't work for the firt tx it seems
pankkake: OK maybe I can get it in the first transaction, which seems isn't me… weird
pankkake: the only thing I didn't chaneg is txNew.vin[0].scriptSig and I have no idea what it is, if it matters, and how to find its value
pankkake: I give up on making a source for Altcoin… I don't understand why it orphans the blocks
nubbins`: good a time for a break as any
kakobrekla: TomServo the implication is, people can get fooled more than once
mike_c: yeah, tat is rolling in blow from atc.
TomServo: I thought it was pretty interesting to see the LTC DOGE hashrate intersect, and then re-intersect and what those implications might be.
asciilifeform: there's a difference between 'use my thing. because it's better' and 'use my thing. it's better, really. and oh btw, if you buy in it will pay for my 1kg/day coke habit.'
TomServo: asciilifeform: Ah yes, with that being equal though?
mike_c: i have had friends start buisnesses that i would not invest in. that didn't make them scum.
nubbins`: mike_c: i'm terrible with quotes
mike_c: i don't think that was it
TomServo: Something I think asciilifeform touched on, judging the merits of all cryptocurrencies... isn't hashrate pretty much the end-all-be-all?
nubbins`: mike_c: did he say "if your friends have to issue public warnings not to invest in things you create, you're probably a legit businessman with a future"?
mike_c: roosevelt had something to say about this
Duffer1: i still <3 you TaT
nubbins`: useless to know otherwise
nubbins`: good to know if you take something away from it
ThickAsThieves: good to know i guess
nubbins`: consider that tatvm has tainted everything you've done since
nubbins`: consider that pirate's scam enabled him to buy a bunch of blow
ThickAsThieves: consider also that tatvm enabled me to do every release after it
nubbins`: we're going to run out of soap if this hand-washing continues
mike_c: now that they are making a mistake out of security ignorance instead of financial ignorance it's better :)
nubbins`: "i didn't put the razor in the apple, i just gave it to the kid"
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i hope you stuffed some serious 0day strange in there.
asciilifeform: i changed my mind. we should all love Altcoin. anyone who runs a 7MB turd of unknown provenance deserves the lessons contained therein.
benkay: yes well this is the world in which we live, asciilifeform. people can't grep source and depend on web apps to make altcoins from them.
ThickAsThieves: am i a criminal for profiting off jurov when he did the opposite?
mike_c: do you hate JD too? people have lost more on that then they will ever lose on atc.
asciilifeform: as if it took more than ten minutes to grab a copy of bitcoind src and change the constants
nubbins`: you knew you were selling overpriced turds?
asciilifeform: pay for the source?
nubbins`: benkay: yes, that's correct
ThickAsThieves: if it werent for the dramatic mining diff changes that came like 1 week after release
benkay: nubbins`: it's a perpetual mining bond. pay btc now for a thing that becomes rapidly more useless.
nubbins`: do you regret that you really did not understand what you were selling?
asciilifeform: 7MB is room for all of the world's trojans, etc
ThickAsThieves: i regret that some people really did not understand what they were buying, despite utter transparency
asciilifeform: who in his right mind would run this
nubbins`: mike_c was the one who mentioned failute
benkay: that's part and parcel of the story, asciilifeform. he didn't pay for the source.
nubbins`: benkay: it wasn't a failure for TAT
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: maybe i missed something... but where's the source code?
nubbins`: maybe you could whip up a regretcoin, premine a bunch, and send them to the rubes who got fleeced
nubbins`: [16:07:54] <ThickAsThieves> First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it.
nubbins`: benkay, mike_c: TAT.VM
benkay: what is this shocking lack of foresight?
nubbins`: mike_c: you disagree that displaying a shocking lack of foresight is tarnishing to a reputation?
asciilifeform: mike_c: if pump'n'dump is a type of honest business, i'd hate to see what a scam is now
ThickAsThieves: are you referring to TAT.VM?
mike_c: btw, i disagree that an honestly run buisness that ends in failure is tarnishing to a reputation.
ThickAsThieves: look the slogan is also the disclaimer
nubbins`: or inventing the future of crypto
jborkl: What are you doing anywy Tat, I missed that part
ThickAsThieves: if it dies it will be due to my attention span more likely
asciilifeform: well, we tried.
benkay: how are you going to do that?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if this is true, it isn't too late to publicly repent and call the thing off.
ThickAsThieves: And that regret did have an affect on my latter movs.
nubbins`: ^ picture yourself saying this about ATC 6 months from now
ThickAsThieves: First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it.
asciilifeform: not sure even karl friedrich gauss could make this any more clear.
ThickAsThieves: and to comment on TAT.VM
ThickAsThieves: i do wish mircea was here, because even if i'm outright in the wrong, he'd at least be able to make that clear. i'm having real trouble with these arguments.
nubbins`: wait, the same bob who sucks dicks?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: 'Bob the Bridge Builder.'
nubbins`: you asked me if mp was running a scam by making a better coingen. i ask you if there's a mirceacoin
jborkl: so what did I miss about GOX? just read a article that bitcoin withdraws are not working now? (not that I use them anymore)
kakobrekla: someone has to be on the other side of the sell asciilifeform
nubbins`: ^ this is the other side of it
nubbins`: "can we trust this ThickAsThieves fellow?" "of course you can trust me, neobee, AM, etc" "but what about the perpetual mining turd and the altcoin thing?" "no no no, those were just a lel"
asciilifeform: they happily take their btc earnings from selling the alts and enjoy the valuable, relatively-stable coin.
ThickAsThieves: asciilifeform, you are likely right, but it is already shaping up to be an interesting excercise
Duffer1: when i argue against something, i take the time later to try to argue for it, i can't think of any arguments for altcoin atm (but that could very likely be user error) hehe
pankkake: to make a "successful" altcoin nowadays you need more than releasing it
mike_c: they aren't fetuses they are human beings. murderer.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i, for one, had no notion of convincing you that bamboozling people is wrong. only that you are ultimately burning your own furniture for heat.
nubbins`: "no, OUT of the environment"
nubbins`: "well, the tanker was leaking oil something fierce, so we towed it outside the environment"
benkay: just because the signal is loud and clear today is not a reason why it should remain that way.
ThickAsThieves: Maybe, I make Altcoin, it does pretty good, then something goes bad and people lose a bunch of money. Then I admit you guys were right. The guilt eats my soul til I realize I must now design the best coin ever. I do, and it kills bitcoin, and the world basks in a new dawn of finance. I load up IRC "sup fuckers, good thing I made Altcoin!"
nubbins`: once you flush things down the toilet, they're gone