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Bugpowder: You should get the line before it too.
kakobrekla: i take bribes not to publish that.
mircea_popescu: well fuck me am i supposed to know all this code these people write all the time everywhere omfgbbq
mircea_popescu: turns out bugpowder is exactly right. bot actually isn't quoting because feeds disagree not because it couldn't get them. ☟︎
Bugpowder: though a nefarious agent could potentially take an options position and bribe them to remove it for assured profit.
Bugpowder: They aren't making financial decisions based on their quote
Bugpowder: I don't see why they should.
ThickAsThieves: and i doubt they will
ThickAsThieves: i dont think they removed gox
davout: Bugpowder: if it's the 24avg and it's been more than 24h then yes I guess sthg is off
davout: mircea_popescu: if they removed gox from the index it'll probably still be taking into account data from before the removal
mircea_popescu: dude did bitcoincharts split the feeds or something wtf is going on here.
Bugpowder: I just want to short 50 DITM puts. A pittance.
ThickAsThieves: how do i read that list?
pankkake: Updated http://assass.headfucking.net/ : better CSS(!), strip weird Trilema feed stuff, links to foaf/opml so you can import the list into your own reader. and this is genius: http://intertwingly.net/code/venus/docs/filters.html
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i just gave you above a list of last times it quoted!
ThickAsThieves: i thgought it couldnt see?
mircea_popescu: well this is definite bs.
mircea_popescu: o wow look at that.
Bugpowder: how do they get $465 / BTC
mircea_popescu: it has exactly 0 impact in all this discussion.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder srsly, mtgox is not even in the feed of bitcoincharts, since days ago.
mircea_popescu: that's the past 12 times it quoted
mircea_popescu: with all the bitching,
Bugpowder: I imagine the feed will start working around the same time gox gets dropped from bitcoincharts, and the artificial price jump risk will have been eliminated
davout: "we had to check all satoshis for cubeness" <<< win
mircea_popescu: one at a time
mircea_popescu: we had to check all satoshis for cubeness
asciilifeform: the turtle statue traditionally gets 'offerings' during exam week. this year, more whiskey bottles and handmade bongs than ever before.
mircea_popescu: no that was because of satoshi malleability.
benkay: lol yeah he saw you fiddling with your key again and pulled the bot
Bugpowder: I have a history of crushing MPOEbot. I think MP fears my awesome trading powers and has pulled the bot.
benkay: i don't really much care in the grand scheme of things but its a point what needs making.
ThickAsThieves: i still think it's lame
asciilifeform: there is a statue on the campus, car-sized, so many of the locals think it must be a gigantic sea-turtle.
benkay: all terps are henceforth confined to their quarters
Apocalyptic: benkay, a mix between turtle and derp
mircea_popescu: not that i know, but i suppose it's becoming more useful.
ThickAsThieves: is there any logging of mpexbot uptime?
asciilifeform: terrapin turtle
asciilifeform: turtle is the symbol of the uni. for some reason.
benkay: also wtf terp asciilifeform?
ThickAsThieves: no one has to do anything
mircea_popescu: have you fixed this broken service ?
benkay: ruminating on the future of los estados unidos
mircea_popescu: the bot doesn't have to quote any more than you do. where's your quote on options ?
benkay: all in their bedrooms
asciilifeform: i was not able to locate the ditch filled with the non-functioning students.
mircea_popescu: i think you misrepresent a convenience for a right.
ThickAsThieves: saying it's a hassle to fix a broken service?
asciilifeform: a hilarious find, from the same trip: http://imgur.com/6JhjQeY
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves dude wtf are you talking about srsly. what is the connection there ?
mircea_popescu: but yeah, quoting outages are temporary, people (who don't generally trade) like to bitch/find conspiraci explanations for otherwise random events.
benkay: ThickAsThieves that sounds like a call for a subscription market service.
mircea_popescu: cuz it's a fucking hassle to fiddle with its feed, it being hardened ;/
benkay: it's not making any money for mpex shareholders not trading!
mircea_popescu: well to logix
benkay: people can't price options on their own, though mircea. that competence thing.
mircea_popescu: and that the bot is a private offering which is in principle not required to offer anyone any convenience other than its backers.
ThickAsThieves: we're talking about the bot
mircea_popescu: i am saying that mpex allows people to trade whether the bot quotes or doesn't quote,
Apocalyptic: I wrote some crypto challenges a couple of years ago, involving breaking hash functions and differential crypto, they might interest you
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no particular requirement one can't just trade as is you know ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: just so happens i'm into a number of things.
ThickAsThieves: mpex would certainly look better to be working than not
mircea_popescu: yeah well in this process any data can be fit to any hypothesis.
ThickAsThieves: i dont recall abnout the 1200 drop
ThickAsThieves: at least 2 of the 3 ive seen
asciilifeform: (anyone playing with mceliece and the like will find something delicious therein)
mircea_popescu: does it tho ?
ThickAsThieves: i dont plan on buying any, i just think it's weird how this happens every "crash"
asciilifeform: unrelated: neat find, from today's trip to library, for all crypto aficionados: 'Post-Quantum Cryptography.' Bernstein, Buchmann & Dahmen. (2009)
mircea_popescu: but i was never able to troubleshoot it
mircea_popescu: i think there may be a cascading effect where if it misses one it asks too often and then it gets banned for an interval
mircea_popescu: yes but it has to answer when the bot asks
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> mircea_popescu: ty... Hoping to see MPOEbot make a triumphant return soon. /// unlikely til Gox reopens wd's
asciilifeform: because there's no place for it.
asciilifeform: every day i wake up and wonder how many other folks are sitting on crap like this
asciilifeform: (picture, say, street swept by long spool of wire with a broom on one end and a lunchbox-sized driver on the other.)
asciilifeform: (and the stepper motor and ball screw go to the junkyard)
asciilifeform: true. the turd i threw in is not 'fundamental invention', unless it is 10 yrs. later.
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: ty... Hoping to see MPOEbot make a triumphant return soon.
mircea_popescu: right. which is what invalidates (from a purely philosophical pov) the approach
mircea_popescu: does only the speech of whoever gets the result count ?
mircea_popescu: would you say the people trying to disprove (or for that matter prove) ZFC are or are not included ?
mircea_popescu: right. but still, people spoke of the mystery back when it was not yet a problem
asciilifeform: novel in the classic sense of transforming a 'mystery' into a mere 'problem'.
asciilifeform: i tend to think of 'fundamental' in the literal sense. that is, becomes a foundation for a recognizably novel class of things
mircea_popescu: certainly the strange behaviours of quantum that manifest at a macro level, from magnetism to histerezis, would perhaps count.
mircea_popescu: the cellphone is a trivial greek trinket. they didn't know how to make it, but they did have them in their speech
asciilifeform: (that is, or not, given the latter)
mircea_popescu: but it was this rather than that angle i was pursuing.
mircea_popescu: now, obviously the fact that star-trek revolves around ipads does exactly nothing in a discussion of prior ipad art
asciilifeform: though perhaps an aficionado of tentacle porn could cough up a counter-example.
asciilifeform: they still typically show at least vaguely jointed movement.
mircea_popescu: all are some sort of tube
mircea_popescu: the 7 images at the top include 0 articulated arms
asciilifeform: (well, triax.)
asciilifeform: rather than walking coax.
mircea_popescu: understand, my approach was cultural not technical.