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mircea_popescu: ok so
then, if it's not your experience, why is it your preoccupation ?
cads: the closes
to
that is some underground cryptoanarchist stuff and some occupy bullshit, nothing with a gun.. yet, neh?
cads: and you can stop with any further expounding of
that line now.
cads: yeah
that's a criticism I don't
take lightly.
mircea_popescu: that's
the difference, i speak of
things i know, you speak of
things you dream and imagine. unflattering as
that may sound.
mircea_popescu: i have been at
the forefront of fucking revolutionary effort lol.
cads: hrm, is
there no revolutionary effort you will have joined simply because you disagree with
the way
things are for a group of people you care about?
mircea_popescu: you're a clever guy, you know at least
the basics of where statistics is meaningfully usable and where it isn't.
cads: mircea_popescu: because you're not sampled from
the sample space of romanians. You're sampled from
the sample space of humans. You need
to be concerned about
the average expected outcome of humans if only because
that's essential
to collaborative solutions
to problems.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who buys it, but judging by how often it needs
to be repeated i would guess no one
cads: but mostly
that you
think someone of your
talent would get
to
the same place in life no matter what initial condition
mircea_popescu: what, you
think blacks invented stupidity or soemthing ?
mircea_popescu: why am i not an average romanian weighted down with
the average viral meme load and nonsense belief romanias get ?
cads: the part
that really gets me is not
that you can't imagine yourself as an average black person, weighted down with
the average viral meme load and nonsense beliefs about finance and law and white people and everyone being out
to get you
mircea_popescu: what makes you
think i coud have been born
to a destitute mother
that couldn't feed me properly ?
cads: born into
the family
that lived in bitter poverty and
taught you
to
take everything you can from
the dole?
cads: born into
the family of a destitute mother
that couldn't feed you properly
the first few years of your life?
mircea_popescu: i'd have been pretty much
the same born whenever and wherever.
cads: good luck from
that start.
cads: right, for
the first
thing you'd probably have been born in africa.
mircea_popescu: and if i have a business i didn't build
that business ?
cads: well
that's my point, you have built in recourse and you know how
to exercise it
cads: that's
the philosophy you want opressed kids
to
take
cads: with
that philosophy I can have you asshole when I want.
Namworld: Can't seem
to recall any awkwardness
to it.
cads: mircea_popescu: if I ever rape you in an alley one day you will limp back home, paste your asshole back
together with some dabs of superglue and
then
tell no one and seek no revenge.
Namworld: Had
that in primary, living in
the suburbs. Black kid in all white classroom. Had very few black people for
the whole school.
cads: and
take no offense or defense
mircea_popescu: well you may be inclined
to review my record as
the most slandered guy in
the history of btc :)
cads: so if someone is slandering you do you "derp about how it should be" or do you
taking fucking recourse?
mircea_popescu: i get it, everyone's special and dragons and
the wrong gender and in
the wrong
time and insufficiently lottery winning.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it is up
to whoever
to live his life, as his life is, rather
than derp about how it should be.
cads: so by your counsel, would it have been up
to
the slaves
to accept
the burden, and would it have been your advice simply improve morale
till
the situation changes or you're lynched.
cads: why does it have
to be an overburdening feeling
though?
mircea_popescu: just because people have meanwhile stopped giving a shit about you and your overall health and well being doesn't mean
the people
that used
to care were wrong.
cads: I mean, a black kid in an all white classroom will be ackward. A boy with a vaganapenis will be ackward. A girl
that wears a headdress is going
to feel ackward.
cads: since people more or less
treat me with respect despite my ackwardness
cads: and I know
that's false
cads: that's
the fucking point, you're acting like people can't fucking
treat socially ackward people with some fucking respect
mircea_popescu: what, you
think sexual
traits suddenly manifest at 18 ?
cads: I'm not
talking about in my adolescence, I'm
talking about as a kid
mircea_popescu: i don't
think any us citizen alive
today could pick out a romanian from a line-up if his anal virginity depended on it
cads: so I've got some well placed hate for bigots and I'm okay with
that for now
cads: remember romania is
the mexico of europe
to americans.
cads: keep in mind I and my brothers grew up here with a crappy accent as
the cabbage eating weird kids
that got picked on for our religion and culture
cads: I do like
to bait
them :P
mircea_popescu: i would say
that your average "sensitive" idiot is about
twice as noxious as your average "racist".
mircea_popescu: people who couldn't care less generally aren't a problem
to anyone.
mircea_popescu: mno. people who spend a lot of
time
thinking about it end up being fucking weird.
cads: people affected by it mostly don't understand how it affects
them
mircea_popescu: my experience with racism is
that it's usually
the problem of
the people concerned with it.
cads: and lead
them around by nose rings
cads: one can
take
the latter group as chumps
cads: maybe it's better
to be surrounded by idiots
that yell slurs
than by smooth
talking devils in suits
cads: hehe,
the redneck
that's been arguing against me on
this one will enjoy your
theory
cads: and indeed,
this
test has no way
to protect against
that
cads: which I'd grant you
ten fold :D
cads: you're saying racist sentiment from white californians simply won't use
the word 'nigger'
cads: I
thought it was a jibe :)
cads: there are a couple slurs in
there like gook
that are distributed in ways
that seem completely arbitrary
cads: it would be hard
to false positive a negative example of "nigger" :D
mircea_popescu: your penny an hour students simple aren't sufficiently intellectually perverse
to pick up on californian negative sentiment
cads: ie, LA has little proportion of
the
twitter bandwidth dedicated
to "nigger"
cads: and it drops off dramatically in
the west, even for populated centers
cads: in little pods
that correspond
to high class suburbs or medium density rural
cads: hopefully
they blinded
the kids enough
to
the geographic location
that at least
the overall shape is right
cads: a little flaky but much better
than automated sentiment detection, imo
cads: mircea_popescu:
they paid students
to manually code
the statements for sentiment
mircea_popescu: cads how would you
trust
the negative sentiment detection ?
mircea_popescu: fascinating : exactly
the areas where black people live.
Namworld: Would be nice
to have a population map
too
to put
that in perspective.
cads: that lets you see
the geography of all sorts of slurs
cads: lemme find
the actual interactive map
cads: the data was normalized according
to
total
twitter
traffic
cads: wanna see a heat map of
the geotagged
tweets in
the US using
the word "nigger" in a negative sentiment?
Namworld: I'm in Montreal. I suppose
that has some good on what I experience.
Namworld: Yes, guess it depends on
the area.
cads: well
there's a big difference even across
the US
Namworld: Yet it doesn't seem like
there's much difference between US and Canada
to me in
the culture.
Namworld: In Canada, people don't seem
to care about immigrants.
They all mix like it doesn't matter. I overheard someone at my old job say how he liked it so much more here
than in
the US because people weren't looking at him and less discrimination or something.
cads: "The game is essentially an abstract synthesis of all arts and sciences. It proceeds by players making deep connections between seemingly unrelated
topics."
mircea_popescu: "Once upon a
time,
there was an enchanted prince, who ruled
the land beyond
the wobbles. One day, he discovered a spot on his face. Foolishly, he ignored it...and
three years later, he died of cancer.
The spot, however, flourished, and soon set out
to seek its fortune."
cads: and who doesn't love corrupting
the innocent?
cads: I like
trolling particularly bad arguments on, god help me, facebook and youtube comments