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mircea_popescu: yest i wanted to make myself batido, the swiss iutem was fullo of some health crap the girls drink, so i was whatever. then later new girl emitted "it's clean now!" signal and i was like "bitch, srsly ? you're... signalling me now ?!"
mircea_popescu: it was much shorter and slightly thicker than my penis.
mircea_popescu: takes "flickers in and out of existence" to a whole new level.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nono, there's this wire, and it does 1thz, and you connect w/e you want to it, go ahead.
mircea_popescu: 1khz or 1thz, whatever you can get the hardware to do.
mircea_popescu: none of that. just poll at fixed speed. that is the clock.
mircea_popescu: basically it's a signal processor someone dropped on the floor.
mircea_popescu: trinque yes. asciilifeform he's trying to visualize how the damned thing talks to the world.
mircea_popescu: this sounds like engineer problem, really. make the multer same speed as adder.
mircea_popescu: which is why my mind went to "would run slow" : cpu clock is largest-hanger-clock + 1
mircea_popescu: i'd prefer it if this had no out band signalling. at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not "naturally" they always run, since "ready signals" were mentioned.
mircea_popescu: the compiler for arbitrary this arch would be one helluva piece of gnarl.
mircea_popescu: this would be automatic-constant-time cpu, run any software you want.
mircea_popescu: the one thing that comes to mind is that the correct approach is for all devices hanging off bus to always run, so that when cpu gets 0xaa 0xbb then the mult mults, the adder adds, and nobody knows WHICH of them the processor peeked for the result.
mircea_popescu: it sounded like signal processor at first, but then it kinda went bent. wouldn't this be damned slow ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose so. but eg "power diff analysis" very much "leverage of the thingness of item"
mircea_popescu: what system exists without physical component ? something running on uci ?
mircea_popescu: which makes the "0 days cost X" a legitimate statement of the ~security~ of a system.
mircea_popescu: the ~only way to specify the security of a certain, definite, given system is still "good for up to $x btc"
mircea_popescu: because no, by your own lights within five minutes, NOT "like theorem". unlike theorem.
mircea_popescu: in this case <asciilifeform> like theorem. is entirely spurious non-contribution to teh discussion.
mircea_popescu: oooo, that's what it was! check you out, YOU introduced the word theorem to describe what we were discussing, and then conveniently YOU point out YOU used the wrong word ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are in fact gradations of validity in theorem, and you use them daily.
mircea_popescu: in fact, no medicine yet devised bestows endless life as a young man ; and yet i can say sulfmetoxazole better for gonorhea than cough syrup.
mircea_popescu: every tank can be flattened, and yet i can make comparative judgements re tiger vs mathilde.
mircea_popescu: in practice, "what's this tank worth" doesn't depend on "there is NO ARROW THAT COULD PIERCE THIS SHIELD!!!" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: just like tank fillness is binary, right ? "is it full or isn;'t it"
mircea_popescu: goes from full to empty in a yard and then it stops the next yard ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so your car has a special indicator, binary, E/F ?
mircea_popescu: "do not put over $x in aggregate on this system" is pretty much the only way you'd do it anyway.
mircea_popescu: point remains -- "the only available 0day costs > 100k" is a legitimate specification-of-security.\
mircea_popescu: "you have to plan for your future" "how about your daugther plans for parenthood"
mircea_popescu: "oh, gotta worry! oh, gotta be careful!" bitch... i dun care.
mircea_popescu: this is a very typical ustardian headroach, deliberately educated into their brains like those african tribes with the flattened skulls.
mircea_popescu: and i'm not even fucking kidding, you.actually.get.cash.rebates.
mircea_popescu: sort-of how "the improved technology" of us army makes most countries immune to it. "what, you're gonna blow a 5mn tomahawk to destroy this here 20k hangar ? bwahahaha go right ahead, the chinese give 50k in cash rebates for each destroyed hangar they rebuild cuz you tomahawked."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but this also means you get secure sub 10k devices.
mircea_popescu: i can talk with guys who don't know about boats any number of places!
mircea_popescu: much like "existing isp is pretty much what you want", except not.
mircea_popescu: i have ~no expectation for machine to entertain me. all i expect is for it to do work.
mircea_popescu: honestly, i expect the unix "Shell" is very much "poor man's ai". specifically "we can't get it to laugh at your jokes or suck your cock, but here's the best we can do, it's almost as if you're talking to it"
mircea_popescu: "engineer's" coal shovel. ie, back when engineer was dude driving steam engine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, there is that. but... at least PARTS of bitcoin are not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a shell is an artefact of technology, like say the "eingeer's" coal shovel.
mircea_popescu: the key elements are a) specify a quanta and b) let them either get to it or not. some will.
mircea_popescu: definitionally, "what could you possibly do with a fridgenet???" "bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: and for that matter -- bitcoin is computed by a) 1024 flickering nodes that b) lose data or processing all the time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're lucky, some've been trying since 1955.
mircea_popescu: ideally should be code about a list of dota characters.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes oh right right, fucking two midgets ~= fucking one swede. i forgot.
mircea_popescu: this is how conversations go -- if you're talking to alf, he's gonna mention it himself ; if talking to anyone else, you hit them over the head with it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: well, at least there's (11.5/2)% or so black chicks among them yes ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know this is strangely how "artificial intelligence" as well as "quantum computing" work out ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all your machine ever does is push pop and mult.
mircea_popescu: anyway. even if you get to keep data but not computation, may be enough.