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asciilifeform: ricochet was a true mesh network
decimation: right. It seems to me that there is still space to compete in that market for bottom dollar text/email
asciilifeform: before the appearance of inexpensive/ubiquitous 'ip over cellular'
decimation: I wonder if they still work :)
asciilifeform: they still respond to signals! i once bought a ricochet modem just to determine this. ☟︎
asciilifeform: decimation: got at least 6 of those just on my street.
decimation: there are still Ricochet boxes that dot the countryside in the US
mircea_popescu: he did a metric ton of shit
BingoBoingo: "Rock Glass while doing high-impact sports. Glass is a piece of technology, so use common sense. Water skiing, bull riding or cage fighting with Glass are probably not good ideas." https://sites.google.com/site/glasscomms/glass-explorers
mircea_popescu: rather than considering the actual points
mircea_popescu: and perhaps the larger loss. as people today interact with him like with shakespeare, out of reinterpreted reinterpretations of copies
mircea_popescu: it's role never having been to be worth "x billionty dollars" but simply to support nurture and allow this conversation.
BingoBoingo: I imagine Satoshi is a lurker in this chan, never speaking, but simply logging the lols
decimation: this is true. I would rather have bitcoin as-is than no bitcoin
mircea_popescu: simply because there's a collection of idiots rather than a single idiot.
mircea_popescu: we are today right here in this chan in a much softer seat than satoshi ever was
asciilifeform: classy crapware, btw, tends to speak with pure udp.
decimation: yeah. The end-to-end argument ( http://www.reed.com/dpr/locus/Papers/EndtoEnd.html ) was written in the early 80's and seems to have been ignored ever since
mircea_popescu: by the time they're done they will have collected enough tidbits (such as this one) to actually make an alt with a chance.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, bored young minds with the strength of oxen wishing to create an ACTUAL altcoin are well advised to try and specify bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: because they mostly don't exist standalone because people in gaming need and so make them
decimation: alas, youth is wasted on the young
ozbot: O hai let me verify your identity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I feel bad for the youth who will be swindled into giving their flower to rank idiocy <<< unlike what other youth ?
decimation: no, but I find the overuse of TCP to be an annoyance. TCP was made by the devil to help people trick themselves
asciilifeform: decimation: neither the only nor the most egregious kludge in the ref. client.
decimation: what I don't understand is why bitcoin network code uses TCP, yet includes optimization hacks to try to improve performance. Why not manage things properly at the application layer with UDP?
BingoBoingo: The simpler solution is to remember to grind spent but warm cigarette butts into the dirt when traversing a tinderbox.
nubbins`: the simpler explanation is "people are idiots and need explicit signage" rather than "good smoke / bad smoke"
nubbins`: meh. in the early days of canada's national parks, they had to put signs up reminding people not to toss lit cigarettes or tap pipe bowls onto the ground
decimation: it's so sad that multicast is broken for almost everyone
decimation: It seems to me that there would be some value in having a multicast stream of blockchain updates
decimation: "Smoking tobacco is losing so it seems reasonable to ban smoking it even in your own car while driving through a brushfire zone. Smoking marijuana is winning, so it doesn't seem like the ban on smoking in Laurel Canyon applies to dope."
decimation: also: steve sailor makes the point that marygeewanna is 'good smoke' - need to remind people that it can start fires too: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/02/good-smoking-v-bad-smoking.html
decimation: I feel bad for the youth who will be swindled into giving their flower to rank idiocy
asciilifeform: it's yet another idiot funnel for the public treasury (incl. grants) into the pockets of 'seekoority' hucksters.
decimation: ascii did you see the maryland "cyber center" link?
asciilifeform: if someone saw fit to do so.
nubbins`: ah, even better then
asciilifeform: the point was not that diddled tomatoes in particular will replace smokable delights, but that the idiocy of prohibition could be technologically finessed
nubbins`: “Health Canada had valid concerns” about the authorized license applications they were receiving last year, says Mr. Kennedy. Many displayed a “lack of sophistication” about the medical marijuana industry, or had a “lack of capital,” he says. The department “was concerned about the ability of new licence holders to meet demand.”
BingoBoingo: Well there were K2 and the other products from Asian and pacific pharmaceutical manufacterer's after hours production
nubbins`: eating a tomato will never be equally as enjoyable as smoking a joint :D
nubbins`: "Health Canada estimates that by 2024, the 'legal marijuana supply industry' may have annual revenues of $1.3-billion."
asciilifeform: doesn't have to be an exact replica. only equally fun. and not readily visually detectable.
nubbins`: plain ol' THC pills have been around for ages and never really gained much traction
nubbins`: it's not so much the THC itself as it is all the other cannabinoids
asciilifeform: and then THC-secreting genmod tomato is introduced, and people forget the idiot political crap.
kakobrekla: depends on the amount of '='
BingoBoingo: Some things are more finite than others.
kakobrekla: well everything in this fuckin universe comes with a finite lifespan
mircea_popescu: people said this of paypal originally.
BingoBoingo: I'm leaning towards supposing all BTC/fiat interface operations come with finite lifespans.
mircea_popescu: they charge whatever they want and that's that.
mircea_popescu: basically what they do now, if you move usd to eur or w/e
mircea_popescu: not that we necessarily care, but it is the first actual loss in the field.
mircea_popescu: after paypal offers transparent exchanging into and from bitcoin to anyone with a paypal account we won't even KNOW what the exchange rate is anymore.
mircea_popescu: we are losing control over the thing.
mircea_popescu: and given the horridly ineptitude of the tech people + the horridly dishonest ineptitude of the "business" people involved in the "market" let's call it for lack of a better term of interfacing bitcoin and fiats
mircea_popescu: anyway, the greater strategic implication here is that given my lukewarm at best interest in the fiat side,
mircea_popescu: lol i was thinking, "and after you're done telling me go tell kako"
kakobrekla: i know the answer to that!!
mircea_popescu: but you are telling me that bitstamp has better ops and it security than paypal ?
mircea_popescu: this is true.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You wrote before on the subject of stolen credentials like credit card numbers making a poor currency due to their short lifespan.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they of any sense'll treat their investments in coinbase/whatever exchange as having terms of 1 year tops.
mircea_popescu: this, prior to bitcoin was the most valuable and only valuable thing to keep on a server.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they hold ccs
the20year: i think it could be good for worldwide acceptance, but won't displace many
BingoBoingo: I don't know if Paypal can make the jump from holding nothing of value on their servers to holding numbers of extreme value.
mircea_popescu: so i guess there goes the market for man-and-his-dreams exchanges.
mircea_popescu: course their webwallet would have an exchange built in, which by now they're probably testing and which nobody will be either to compete with or outlaw.
the20year: will it take bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: lol so paypal wants to compete with bitcoin by making... yet another webwallet.
mircea_popescu: i guess the people that got the licenses in colorado made out ok.
decimation: also for the lolz: http://cnsmaryland.org/2014/02/18/officials-boost-maryland-cybersecurity-center/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interesting how there is never a translation (of whatever quality) to english
WillTablet: Gotta get me some altcoin invested in that
nubbins`: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: S.POT, canada is outlawing personal growing for medical marijuana patients in april, and the entire system will move over to private growers. legal at federal level. country full of world-renowned growers. number of licensed users expected to grow tenfold over next decade. nice business to have established when across-the-board legalization eventually comes around.
asciilifeform: but the facts are, well... factual.
asciilifeform: it's a spoof (if that wasn't clear)
asciilifeform: jurov: i saw that thing (and, if i recall, posted it here) when it came out.
ThickAsThieves: from that Ebay vid: ""You can use digital currencies in the paypal digital wallet, that's in fact what PayPal is doing is building a digital wallet that can take multiple types of currencies." - John Donahue, CEO of eBay."
TomServo: i was thinking maybe seppuku
the20year2: i was thinking thursday was their announcement if they'd resume withdrawl/deposits
jcpham: dogecoin support coming to mtgox in just shy of 2 weeks time
jcpham: over 9000 by then
the20year2: What's thursday?
xeroblaze0: good luck with that
the20year2: ANyone have any short term estimates on BTC price, like for the week?
arij: what was that bitcoin prediction website?
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the20year2: As a quick FYI for RENT investors, we are persuing two individual properties currently.
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mircea_popescu: maybe one in ten has the sense (or really, the looks) to actually do something worthwhile with her time.
mircea_popescu: every romanian chick that's not starving while pretending to be working in pr is starving pretending to sell hebalife, avon and whatnot.
ThickAsThieves: "Herbalife Ltd. reported fourth-quarter profits ... that exceeded analysts’ expectations. The results marked the 20th straight quarter the nutritional supplement maker’s profit figures have exceeded Wall Street’s estimates" ...this world...
KRS-One: Does Magical Tux enjoy Coffee or is it Dessert?
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes, but i enjoy how clearly it's laid out there