asciilifeform: ... and later he is very susprised when the beta rays cook his children alive
asciilifeform: the other observation is that the chukcha's reliance on his 'naked five senses' is absolute -- 'physical object' in his threadbare skullcase always trumps 'insisible' items, 'just number'
asciilifeform: ( previously asciilifeform thought that the last 'just bits' idjit ate his '45 some time in 2012, but apparently not )
asciilifeform: whereas btc 'is just bits, and anyone can flip bits to be whatever'
asciilifeform: the sufferers almost always turn up to labour under elaborately usgtronic delusions of, e.g., 'their' ( sitting Safely In Their cardboard house or usg.bank box , naturally ) 'gold' ( do they consider melting, or whatever other test ? ) 'belongs' ( until preet says so ) to them...
asciilifeform: it will be interesting to see how the goldtards etc react to realization that they are willingly powering a heat engine where , e.g., 1 btc is worth several years of their life, and organs
asciilifeform: the q was how these folx bamboozled themselves into thinking that the obvious problems of physical brick of au , lending naturally to 'paperization', somehow 'did not count'
asciilifeform: or whether simply stuck playing pretend, to delay eating nagant when they sit and think
asciilifeform: upstack : asciilifeform is still curious whether the assorted goldtards etc actually believe that btc is 'entirely like wowgold' and that some gavin somewhere 'could make moar if we wanted to' on demand
asciilifeform: hey, digging up obscure derp from the depths of the refugee camps, could take time!111
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu in steppes of ulan batur, 2030, horseman throws a sack at his yurt and speeds away in cloud of dust. inside : a head, and a pay addr scratched on forehead...
asciilifeform: possibly even stuck ~pre-trade~ -- witness the naked assertion that 'usd is king strictly because great inca promised to kill for it'
asciilifeform: they're stuck not merely pre-rsa, but in a sense pre-babylon ( where the clay seals already offered some mechanical guarantee )
asciilifeform: observation was that the folx in question only know of promise
asciilifeform: i suspect that i see the fundamental problem of these folx ( incl. gold collectors ) -- they never actually discovered protocol vs promise, 'protocol' (i.e. hard crypto guarantee ) is not a conceivable item for them☟︎
asciilifeform: enough so that i barfed in attempting to read'im
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: catholitards have iron 'discipline' in their chosen glassbeadgame.
asciilifeform: ave1: indeed it does : on every piece of iron i have, and for every bitness, <= 8 turns out to be the inflection point.
asciilifeform: ave1: basic idea, pretty obvious, you throw param tuples into an array ( of known max length, proportional to # of invocations permitted ) and then iterate over that, using it in place of the familiar stack.
asciilifeform: ave1: knuth has a number of examples of 'derecursivizations'
asciilifeform: ave1: it suffices from my pov that i can prove that the thing terminates in W-Threshold shots.
asciilifeform: ave1: it can be made quite trivially from the one i have. but increases complexity and so i have not done this.
asciilifeform: i thought the last purveyor of this particular nonsense died in 2010 or so
asciilifeform: somehow a centralized spamola token that can be magicked into existence in arbirary quantity, is 'same' as bitcoin ?
asciilifeform: r0nin-: 'also true of in-game currency' did your mother drop you as a baby? or feigning retardation ?
asciilifeform: if you were dropping the n00k on soros, would you settle for 'sufficient' 10ktonne, or opt at slightly moar cost for 100mtonne kuzkina mat' if available ?
asciilifeform: it is pretty strange imho to read mircea_popescu operating with the logic of poverty -- '100 horse suffices for standing at red light, why would anyone want a bugatti', '400 sq metres suffices to house a family' -- how is 4096b rsa any different ?
asciilifeform: ain't as if people were born with 32bit cpu stuffed up their arses, neh
asciilifeform: on fpga even 32768-bit rsa is as snappy as you could want
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's argument is not even 'we must 8192!!1' but that 4096 is an accidental measure, like the volume of one particular bucket one particular child left on a beach
asciilifeform: ( for reference : leaking 1/4 of your privkey is fatal; 10-20% -- you're breakable in polynomial time with large -- how large is unknown -- constant factor )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this argument is not false, but ignores noncryptoanalytic breaks
asciilifeform: 4096 did not fall from sky, no. and 10y ago it 'equalled' 2048.
asciilifeform: i dunno why mircea_popescu is defending a figure that came from wholly arbitrary, rather than natural, constraint ( 'what is fast on a uniprocessor x86 box' == 4096 )
