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mircea_popescu: billymg, what's
the mp-wp story, did i miss some updates ?
mircea_popescu: gawd, spyked,
two months of irc bots
till
the end of
the year ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: so concretely, lobbes is supposed
to deliver
that botthing soonish ; you're doing
the above, bvt is beating rng into
the kernel, BingoBoingo is getting himself out of
the 2nd failed reboot of isp
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-29 09:46:27 mp_en_viaje: with diana_coman as
to
the future strategy of s.mg (which normally'd belong in eulora, i suppose, but honestly might as well happen here, not like
there's any
traffic jam or anything) ; and of course with diana_coman hanbot
trinque BingoBoingo lobbes spyked bvt ave1 as
to what exactly we still want and we can in fact support going forward.
mircea_popescu: which leads us back
to our regularly scheduled programming.
mircea_popescu: never, ye hear me people of
the future, NEVER
take
the cows for people. athena made
them cows for a reason.
mircea_popescu spits once more on
the fresh grave of "engineers" for good measure
mircea_popescu: aite.
there'll be a brief excursion in
there
to get
the prod server back up, but yes.
diana_coman: ofc in between
there will be setting
the server up whenever we have where
diana_coman: and after
that I go back
to client graphics & comms (+server side ofc, but
that is waiting on comms protocol atm)
diana_coman: first I'll do now
the estimates re ditching cs from server (dev)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: just
to make sure re order of my next steps here:
mircea_popescu: in some dumbphone game equate
to
trilema article reads)
mircea_popescu: aite, well, not like
there's any games one can play (i fucking looked, i'm back
to playing antique 2000 era stuff, steam's dead, kongregate's dead, everything's fucking dead. half
the links on mmorpg.com lead
to dead / domain for sale / nonsense items,
the other half
to steam crap, it's just... gaming's fucking dead, everyone just clucks on derpy facebook fake
traffic numbers generators, as fucking if 5k reloads/second
mircea_popescu: it's not, in other worse, a case of "wait just
this short interval, will do new release" etc
mircea_popescu: but in principle,
there's no good dev-side reason
to delay.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu:
the production server has been running before and it can run again as it is;
the issue
there is really
the one concerning access
to
the code if we just put it ~anywhere.
mircea_popescu: is
the stuff in a shape you want running publicly as we stand ?
mircea_popescu: getting a coupla boxes somewhere in
the sense of amateurship so dear
to
the previously
tolerated morons is
the least of our
troubles.
mircea_popescu: now as
to 4 : i'd obviously like
the server back up as soon as possibru.
diana_coman: I don't use
that init command but at any rate, it's fine as far as I looked at it first pass
diana_coman: mircea_popescu:
this is added on my
tree, I didn't yet get
to sign it
diana_coman: I still had
to dive into CS's "shaders" and so at least I know better what
those are and how
they come into play but
that can be written up as it is and
taken from
there
diana_coman: those
two were most snagging from not-directly-eulora;
the rest is mainly
the complexity with
the graphics & cs
mircea_popescu: aite. we shall
talk again about move later
this week
then.
diana_coman: that seems
to be referenced/found by people and hence used
diana_coman: at any rate, my current understanding for S.MG is
that it will proceed with what
there is and as such
the bulk of work stems mainly from
the graphics & ironing out
the smg comms + new client (plenty
there
to do but at least I know what I'm looking at)
mircea_popescu: or
the usual byproduct of
the undisturbed existence of "engineer" cunts, ie, a pile of cvasi-working shitballs ?
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, is
there even an actually working vtron ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-07-21 08:57:32 diana_coman: hm, current vtools still don't handle move of files or what am I missing here? I made a simple
test with moving one file
to a different location and as far as I can see, it's still delete + create, no move
mircea_popescu: we will have
to prorogue
this issue for some log reading, because wtf.
diana_coman: granted,
this is relatively small snag for S.MG, not like eulora can't go on without it but it's annoying esp because of
this "seems
to have been done"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, nah, 2015ish item, dork in question was very specifically asciilifeforming all over himself, "oh, will
take mp out"
diana_coman: now if someone has
the proof I'm being an idiot on
this, please step forwards and hit me with it, I'll be very glad.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: not as far as I know; it was always *not done* but always popping up in people's memory as "working"; except every
time I wanted
to *move* a file rather
than have it del/add, it
turned out
that ...no.
mircea_popescu: next item, moving files in v ?! WHAT
THE FUCK phf fixed
this as
the only
thing he did in like 3 years.
diana_coman: tbh
this particular bit with
the keys was/is
the *main* itchy
thing because it feels ridiculous really; I'm doing "encryption"
there every which way and
then
the keys are plain
text; but wtf.
mircea_popescu: i'm
too lazy
to search right now for
the article where some power ranger shiothead was "offering
to reimplement mpex"
diana_coman: all right; so at any rate, not an issue for S.MG, it will proceed with how
things stand and
that's
that.
diana_coman: my
thought was
that if *that* was done,
the above bootstrapping
thing would have ended up getting more attention and
thus possibly moving on as well; but
this is why I said possibly outside S.MG scope
mircea_popescu: YEARS
they've been at it, and
they have earned all
this respect with
their useful anal work.
diana_coman: tbh (and possibly outside S.MG's direct scope) I don't get exactly why don't we have already a command line replacement
to gpg, ugh
mircea_popescu: look, practically : either we ask
the user
to remember a password, or else we ask
the user
to secure a
token/
diana_coman: ie why use
the client key if anyway
there
too, not much
to it
mircea_popescu: NOT
that it makes a difference,
the client key will still be
there.
diana_coman: so stored in plain
text and
that's
that, correct?
mircea_popescu: the way
this is going is
that serious player will have dedicated box for eurlora anyways.
there's little diff between disk and ram for as long as one uses dedicated box.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-01-13 09:29:50 mircea_popescu: ad interim
the draft is,
that
the client stores all
the keys (rsa, serpent, whatever) one per line,
the rsa ones in republican format,
the rest unspecified as of yet, in a file called keys.tmsr encrypted by
the rsa key of
the client.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: we have eucrypt
that generates
the rsa keys and serpent and all
that client and server need; we however do not have (and it was supposedly in discussion/waiting/etc) a clear way
to store
them securely; let me dig log ref
diana_coman: other
than
the os since
that is at least decided for now,
there would be:
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: it might be useful
to go
through
the list of
things perhaps
mircea_popescu: so, basically,
the way
this is going is, server on protocuntoo for now and cuntoo in
the future ; and ~demo~ client on ubuntu/whateverthefuck, dynamic hell and let
the community make whatever it wants.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: would
the demo client be
text-only
then or what?
mircea_popescu: the decision whether cuntoo is
to be headless or x-headed has not yet been made.
diana_coman: but no real need
to spend
time on looking at moving cs, is
there?
diana_coman: I will however look into how long it would
take
to ditch cs on dev server
mircea_popescu: so, basically,
the way
this is going is, server on protocuntoo for now and cuntoo in
the future ; and ~demo~ client on proto-cuntoo and let
the community make whatever it wants.
diana_coman: anyways, so proto-cuntoo for server side and
there's no futzing needed
there
diana_coman: yes; /me read
through s.nsa historical reports so got enough of
that for
today.
mircea_popescu: or if only people would start running in general, as opposed
to
the current decerebrated snailcircle. w/e.
diana_coman: nobody would dictate
them anything for sure.
diana_coman: if only people would start running
their own clients!
mircea_popescu: i'm also not at all sure i want
to dictate os or userland/tooling for people running clients.
diana_coman: all right; I'm all for *not*
taking on yet another pile of wtf