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reeses_: my homework is here somewhere, I
think copumpkin has it
reeses_: yeah, /. was around
then, no?
mircea_popescu: in 2000ish ? yea, it
think it'd have been all over slashdot. "highschooler gets ccie!!1"
reeses_: no,
they're still numbered
reeses_: yeah, I went
to look it up
reeses_: yeah, working my way
through
the docs right now as well
midnightmagic has
trouble getting "to
the moon, alice" out of his head
mircea_popescu: reeses_ well
then read
the discussion with mr pineaple above
too.
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Expendable; Or, And Now
The Pharma Pendulum Swings Back
The Other Way
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic but on
the
topic of making a name for oneself, know who
tried
that ? a certain dr. gleason. he
tried
to make a name for himself as not being a contemptible piece of shit. he was convicted, eventually, and
then killed himself.
reeses_: switch what I said,
then, I was ignoring it
mircea_popescu: hence "<mircea_popescu> and i don't
think reeses_ is even paying attention anymore."
reeses_: and
that he got
the ccie in high school
reeses_: I love
that he claims a ccie and ccna and doesn't know what ccie stands for
chetty: ha, hasn't been a free market in ideas for a very long
time
mircea_popescu: chetty presumably
the free market still exists in
the us, both financially and with regard
to ideas, so such an academic would "make a name for himself"
chetty: no 'academic' would admit
things like
that, anymore
than admit global warming is off.
the wouldn't get
their grants.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i
think
the most we can arrive
to is stating
the respective positions.
midnightmagic: Anyway, just pointing it out. If you have access
to a research institute with fulltext, you should check it out. It's really fascinating and, for me at least, counter-intuitive.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic yes, but not
the 14% aspirational crowd
that "makes" names
midnightmagic: I would say about half or more of
the US actually agrees with you
that beating children is
the best way.
midnightmagic: Yeeaaahh.. no. Sure it's a motivator. I'm just saying it's not
the most effective.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic nobody is going
t omake a name for
themselves in
the current us showing
that not beating kids is a wrong
thing.
midnightmagic: Else someone else
trying
to make a name for
themselves comes along and destroys it.
midnightmagic: That is fundamental study design.
They don't make
those kinds of selection bias mistakes in
the research on which consensus is formed.
mircea_popescu: you
then run studies showing
that A2 responds better
than A1
mircea_popescu: basically you're externalising a cost. when "kids get beaten" subset A1 gets actually beaten and subset A2 learns from
their experience.
midnightmagic: fear is not
the most effective motivation. fear is not a direct motivator, it is a motivator
to game
the cease of fear.
mircea_popescu: much like
the us nuclear weapons, which
the us refuses
to declare will never be used.
mircea_popescu: problem is
the entire system collapses once kids know nobody can ever get beaten.
midnightmagic: No it's not. Research is not
the basis of ritalin over-prescription. In fact
the research states
that it is over-prescribed.
mircea_popescu: because
the group
that responds
to
the former well is SELF SELECTED.
midnightmagic: I'm just saying, as much as it's possible
to know such
things, physical pain or even physical discomfort versus non-physical discipline
tactics:
the physical discipline is not as effective.
mircea_popescu: but it is over prescrived on
the basis of " virtually all infant and child development research"
midnightmagic: No, ritalin is over-prescribed.
That's evil on its own.
mircea_popescu: well, either
that or magically all kids suddenly need ritalin.
mircea_popescu: it's about as good as us epidemiological data,
that crap.
mircea_popescu: virtually all data fugded by post 1950 us pseudoscience on
the
topic says random stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: children have
to be beaten systematically, in which case most don't actually even need pyshical contact.
mircea_popescu: some random drunk randomly hitting some kid is absolutely not within
the scope of
this discussion.
mircea_popescu: but as an exercise : consider whether you're randomly lumping
together beating children with simple abuse, as a sort of strawman argument.
mircea_popescu: we can move on
to discussing how
temperatures form a golf club pattern next
mircea_popescu: no, actually,
there is an endless record of evidence
that it does. what
there's no evidence for is
that not beating
them is sustainable.
chetty: depends on
the child, some actually need it
midnightmagic: There is virtually all
the evidence
that says
that *not* beating
them but maintaining discipline helps.
midnightmagic: irl.
There is virtually no evidence at all
that beating children helps.
midnightmagic: children do better, perform better, respond better, and grow better when
they aren't beaten.
chetty: I wonder if much of
the animosity between
tea party and occupy could be simply smell?
mircea_popescu: which is why society naturally segregates. it's not
that
the upper class hates
the lower class. it's just
that
the lower class... stinks.
jurov: well, once you keep yourself clean other people can start
to smell horribly (applies
to stupidity as well)
mircea_popescu: and so you understand both why you had
to be beaten, and why you'll be beating
the shit off your kids,
too. so
they don't end up like
the retarded us scum.
mircea_popescu: so it's habit, but it's also
that once you know
things, stupidity appears quite different from how it appears back when you don't know
things.
mircea_popescu: "whoever loves you loves you as you are" and all
that.
mircea_popescu: but if you're used
to your smell being filthy, you'll just keep on doing
that because... whatever.
mircea_popescu: B007 yes, it will continue. not even strictly of habit, as chetty says.
take washing : once you get used
to your smell when you're clean, you're not likely
to stop washing.
mircea_popescu: hey D : someone over
there ain't doing
their job of reading properly.
B007: but will
they continue after
the person
that would beat
them is gone?
mircea_popescu: you can make people do absolutely anything
they should be doing, provided you're comitted
to beating
them
to death if
they do not, and start before
they're 5.
B007: ofc you can't make people read if
they dont want
to
mircea_popescu: further proof
that
teaching kids
to read and write is not either sufficient or particularly related
to literacy.
mircea_popescu: that is oral culture at its finest.
this guy is not part of contemporaneity, or even modernity. he finds himself in a roughly feudal
time. back before literacy.
B007: is
that guy fuked ? I
think so
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno where you get
the "civil proceedings" notions from.
BingoBoingo: Only in Bitcoin-exile is such a
thing possible
mircea_popescu: if someone ends up disbared over pirate's dumb ass
that'll be
the lol of all
time.
jcpham: half
truths mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: Well in
this case I know a wife was active. My wife was missing. I however do not know
that any wife of mine was involved with any of
these activities.
mircea_popescu: "like, i know my wife's husband and he happens
to be me"
mircea_popescu: well ok, but "i know" means i know some not i know all in
this context neh ?
BingoBoingo: Especially since BTC
taint is not a
thing.
BingoBoingo: I know a bunch of -assets people's Bitbet payout addresses and
this bettor isn't obviously one.
mircea_popescu: so basically all
the aurora crap ACTUALLY WAS strictly intended
to win
the bitbet bet.
BingoBoingo: This spring it
takes what? 2 BTC
to kill Harnett's bankerness? AAA-???BBQ
BingoBoingo: First principles, Simplicity. Read Aristotle. Of each particular
thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do,
this man you seek?
mircea_popescu: anyway
this shit is pretty epic, it wasn't
that zeek rewards went under, it's just
that he can't remember who had 200k btc
BingoBoingo: You still wake up sometimes, don't you? You wake up in
the dark and hear
the screaming of
the lambs. And you
think if you save poor Catherine, you could make
them stop, don't you? You
think if Catherine lives, you won't wake up in
the dark ever again
to
that awful screaming of
the lambs.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My list is comprable, but I
the weight
the "testimony" offer weighs so little on names I've assumed more guilty.
mircea_popescu: and i don't
think reeses_ is even paying attention anymore.