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mircea_popescu: you mixing two articles together ?
mircea_popescu: the two seem unrelated ?
bitcoinpete: haha I'm still trying to figure out where you pulled the tom green bit from in the first place. I thought we were on the King & I. Or is Tom the Canadian King, and I Anna?
mircea_popescu: haha where was this ?
bitcoinpete: the adaptation of freddie got fingered, the mainstage production?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: I helped write the adaptation. Someone had to.
bitcoinpete: here, we're finally in the plusses and enjoying spring
bitcoinpete: Was in London last week too at the seat of the empire
cazalla: bitcoinpete: you're from canada, right? a brother in the commonwealth
cazalla: i guess lovely was the wrong word, it's more cozy with the storm coming over
cazalla: it's stormy but that's how i like it
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell MisterE haha it's a balancing act
bitcoinpete: Most of the false flagging seems to be in oz right now, the no-longer-black-haired-bernie is back with penis-nosed motor racing
mircea_popescu: the false flag conpiracy theory is getting better and better hah
mircea_popescu: soo, the missing plane is placed between kazakhstan and turkmenistan now ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes that's him.
mircea_popescu: my original comments refer strictly to this, while old landline is what it is, nobody forced cellphones to suck
joecool: mircea_popescu: unless you count telegraph as digital
mircea_popescu: none of the old infrastructure was usable, not really, towers is one thing copper is another and so on
mircea_popescu: but let me point out that digital comms is a whole new industry.
mircea_popescu: joecool i guess there's a good point here, in the sense that the infrastructure is really old, phreakin did exist, what is one to do
joecool: asciilifeform: i mean the communication framework was setup in the early 30's
mircea_popescu: they wheeled in some ancient revolutionary bolshevik to praise the party.
mircea_popescu: someone did this as power moved from lenin to stalin but i don't recall who the fuck
joecool: asciilifeform: i'd argue longer actually than WW2
mircea_popescu: hey, even sacred monsters a la buffett are reduced to teary eyed confessions of belief in the party, even at the zenith of their career/intellectual lucidity
asciilifeform: in the case of at&t and certain others, arguably earlier.
asciilifeform: they've been linked in this way since the war.
mircea_popescu: they've plainly confessed to it what with the "too big to fail" doctrine,
mircea_popescu: it's by now a mistake to see anything in the us command economy as meaningfully separate from anything else.
asciilifeform: i've suggested before that it is a mistake to see u.s. tech firms (certainly after ww2) as meaningfully separate from usg.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea who exactly would wish to live in a world where a company making a product asks any government what it thinks on the topic.
asciilifeform: the mandatory use of toy crypto in consumer telephony was blatant and entirely conspicuous.
mircea_popescu: so knowing that, let's build another whole industry on rotten basics
joecool: gsm mitm is fairly easy with 2G technologies, the hardware isn't very expensive and the software is opensource
mircea_popescu: this is engineering these days.
asciilifeform: and certainly no serious authentication of 'this is a genuine tower'
asciilifeform: but is perfectly adequate for this other purpose.
asciilifeform: 'catcher' is normally pictured as a wiretapping tool
gribble: IMSI-catcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI-catcher>; The body-worn “IMSI catcher” for all your covert phone snooping ...: <http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/the-body-worn-imsi-catcher-for-all-your-covert-phone-snooping-needs/>; Septier IMSI Catcher: <http://www.septier.com/146.html>
asciilifeform: joecool: this is a commercial product
joecool: asciilifeform: there are a lot of standards to cover with a fake tower
asciilifeform: you can't buy this one from 'alibaba' but there it is.
asciilifeform: the most effective cell jammer doesn't simply piss out white noise, but emulates a functioning tower - one which happens to route calls into '/dev/null'
joecool: asciilifeform: cell jammers are also much more effective as they move away from towers
asciilifeform: you know, the same one that gets a magic packet and steers the flying coffin 1000km into the sea and then down.
mircea_popescu: did they ever get fitted with that in the end ?
asciilifeform: or, if you like exciting life, in the plane's own instrumentation.
asciilifeform: also helps to remember that cell jammer fits in a belt buckle if necessary.
mircea_popescu: and so they didn't. period.
mircea_popescu: then again... chinese people. someone probably told them not to use cell phones
chetty: they were over land there of a while
mircea_popescu: you need a tower reasonably close
asciilifeform: chetty: not much cell service in the sea.
chetty: If that plane went on for hours why werent the people on board using cell phones?
mircea_popescu: this'd be a better distinction than simply over/under, because it's a difference in kind not degree.
mircea_popescu: rom entities to rules, it also lost the support of the people. There weren’t that many people burning American flags in 1860, you know ? Why do you think not ? You can support a government killing Indians, or bison. You can’t support a government fighting chemical compounds."
mircea_popescu: specifically, "As far as experience shows, people don’t tend to support states that either stupidly or unwittingly include rules among their enemies. You can’t win a war against math, or against drugs, or against “social injustice”, or “kulaks”. Soon after the Soviet government moved its focus from entities to rules, it lost the support of the people. Soon after the other-Soviet government moved its focus f
mircea_popescu: anyway, the statement of that point im happy with is in http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/
ozbot: News from The Associated Press
mircea_popescu: and for that matter it'd be a lot saner if you stuck around for few hours after asking for input on an article in so i don't have to make gribble work overtime
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl_ the point about "over regulate people" is vague, in that nobody, from obama to ayn rand, believe their activity is "over regulatory". indeed, all over regulators in history carefully consider the point of over regulation (in their own reference frame) and decide they're being reasonable.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl_ perhaps the oil painting example is weak, seeing how the artist would probably benefit from being physically present for the wedding.
ozbot: Let’s do the telegraph pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the correct way to do 'hardware wallet is' -- well, why piss out out here. 'obvious to alert reader.'
asciilifeform: if you have an amulet of invincibility and the gods have informed you that you will never encounter a pwned pc, you need no exotic hardware.
asciilifeform: is to assume a future encounter with a pwned host machine
asciilifeform: the whole point in taking the trouble to design a hardware gizmo
joecool: asciilifeform: that's assuming quite a bit
asciilifeform: attacker pwns the pc, you personally unlock the card, thinking you will do operation X, in actuality: Y.
joecool: asciilifeform: except it needs a pin every time to do it, and it needs to be physically present
asciilifeform: doesn't matter - you unlock the card, and it signs whatever kernel wants it to sign.
joecool: an attacker *could* attempt 3 times to use it with a pin
asciilifeform: yes, and hence the smartcard is garbage.
joecool: asciilifeform: maybe i'm misunderstanding you. my system can tell if my openpgp smartcard is present
asciilifeform: joecool: this is a grave misconception. if pc can 'if XXX then hardware wallet is present' even once, you're fucked.
joecool: asciilifeform: i need to play with the yubikey neo implementation of bip32
asciilifeform: but tell the 'trezor' etc. folks that.
joecool: asciilifeform: solution is easy to that
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu if the pc can deterministically find that a hardware btc wallet | gpg apparatus | trng | etc is plugged in, owner is fucked. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu if the pc can deterministically find that a [hardware btc wallet | gpg apparatus | trng | etc] is plugged in, owner is fucked.
jborkl_: ok, Thank you for the input. I do appreciate it
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Trust relationship from user joecool to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
joecool: ;;gettrust ThickAsThieves
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust ThickAsThieves
joecool: jborkl_: i figured US but writing is a little different than northeast
Duffer1: paste the OTP mesage into where you sign messages, copy the result, then come back and type ;;everify signedmessageresulthere
jborkl_: joecool, thank you. I will make sure to look at that
joecool: ThickAsThieves: you can pipe it from curl to gpg
ThickAsThieves: I assume I do not save the OTP
ThickAsThieves: is the last part just to make sure it works both ways?
ThickAsThieves: felt like i verified twice
joecool: jborkl_: no glaring things wrong with the writing. a couple quotes missing and maybe some comma weirdness
gribble: Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC
ThickAsThieves: ;;eauth ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves open terminal, go "gpg" paste it there
Duffer1: it's the message you need to sign for ;;everify
ThickAsThieves: now i need to look up what an encrypted OTP is and what i need it for
jborkl_: I have not proofed this yet, but if you guys would not mind reading it and telling me if you think it sounds like I have down syndrome