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benkay: but irrelevant, you seem set on doing your
thing
bitmia: it is still unclear why
they failed
tho
benkay: but if
they have a bitcoin wallet,
they can sign a
thing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.34104034 BTC
to 3`957 shares, 59162 satoshi per share
benkay: if i were building
that
thing (and i'm not, and we haven't even discussed
the market use for such a
thing in
the wake of
the other ebay clones
that have failed), i'd make it a hard requirement for sellers
to have WoT identities.
bitmia: benkay: I considered using an irc bot
to create profiles for
the ones
that don't have
them yet, but
that would mean holding
their privkeys for
them. beats
the purpose sortof
benkay: probably a non-starter around here without
that.
bitmia: what would you like
to see in an ebay style,
two-way Bitcoin marketplace? what security features
benkay: hard for
the guy building
the marketplace or hard for
the participants?
bitmia: benkay, and what are
the hard necessary
things in a marketplace?
benkay: inability or unwillingness
to do
the hard
things necessary
to raise personal value above a single dollar.
benkay: which is what will keep
them forever worth pennies.
bitmia: that's
the point, and paupers don't like 'em private keys
benkay: matter of personal
taste, like i said.
bitmia: benkay, I was doing a marketplace, remember? how
the fuck am I supposed
to have individual clients with a lifetime value of 500B?
benkay: one can buy impressive e-peen widgets in
that game, and at nontrivial prices
to boot.
benkay: dunno, haven't seen any
that satisfy
the criteria yet.
benkay: is
there room in a given business model for serving both?
chetty: there is room in
this world for both kinds
benkay: would we rather a billion pennies from a billion paupers, or individual clients with lifetime value
to
the firm in excess of 500B each?
chetty: nope
the
two are not really related, its all perception
benkay: so
the point of
the gpg claim is
that if you can't read
the gnu privacy guard manual, you're worthless
chetty: but as a buyer I dont really want my crypto
too easy
bitmia: benkay: you'd certainly want
that if you were a seller
chetty: hihi, well I admit I usually have
to look up commands - sigh
benkay: for instance, i don't actually want
to spend any
time around people for whom gpg is challenging
to use
HeySteve2: only, here is another
thing
that is rare in a woman
only: rare enough
to make me ask
the question
only: nubbins`: writing like she does is a rare
thing for a woman
kakobrekla: only
thats my personalized message on retardtalk
nubbins`: especially given
that
the answer
to all
three questions is "who cares"
nubbins`: the whole "is pr fake? a woman? mp?"
thing is pretty entertaining
LordPutin: only when mircea puts ona wig and
tucks his willy between his legs
punkman: thestringpuller: you can get
them on alibaba
only: chetty warnings, sanctions. we have
this saying in ukraine "the dog barks,
the caravan moves on"
blackwhite_: frustrated?
That would mean
that your opinion mattered. It doesn't so no worries.
nubbins`: sorry if
that offends, but c'est ça
nubbins`: blackwhite_: if i've frustrated you enough
to make you waste your own
time rather
than someone else's when you next have a question, i've done my job
bitmia: benkay: crypto-things are not bound
to be complicated (ie not user-friendly)
artifexd: There is a whole section on "Before you ask"
though...
blackwhite_: nubbins` i got my answers. See not everyone feels like
they need
to make a statement every
time. Someone you know just like
to help and make no fuzz about it.
artifexd: nubbins` Interestingly,
that link says
that IRC is a good first place
to ask.
blackwhite_: anyway I got a couple of good leads
that I hadn't already heard about.
blackwhite_: I have done my homework but sure i haven't
talked much in
this channel so I can understand why some feel like i am just popping in
nubbins`: or not shared, depending on
the prior effort of
the person asking
nubbins`: i could just google "bulk deli meat <my area>" but figured i'd spend 10 minutes wasting
the
time of a bunch of strangers instead
punkman: blackwhite_, I have
the
thing you want, but like nubbins` is saying...
nubbins`: hence my comment about
the sandwich shop
nubbins`: then flap
their gums at
the people who
tell 'em
to do
their homework
chetty: well maybe if you had asked, hey guys, what do you
think of X as a data soirce ... just sayin
nubbins`: just a downer when people pop in here asking others
to do
their basic research for
them
blackwhite_: you are getting ahead of yourself assuming
things you have no knowledge about.
nubbins`: hey, it makes no difference
to me
blackwhite_: but sure
there are always people like you around
to make sure no one does
things
the way you don't want
them
to be done
nubbins`: hurts, but it's just
the way it is
nubbins`: ...then you're not ready
to run a business of any sort
nubbins`: if your first instinct is
to pop on irc and ask someone rather
than do a simple google search which would have already given you answers...
nubbins`: the first
thing you should do is figure out where
to get your data from
blackwhite_: you
think just because I don't get an answer here I won't have any other options
blackwhite_: i am asking in
this channel because
there are a lot of knowledgeable people here
nubbins`: "hey guys i'd like
to open a sandwich shop, is
there any place i can buy deli meats in bulk?"
☟︎ blackwhite_: by among other
things asking in
this channel :)
blackwhite_: and
the price for
the platform is 380USD so not really sure I will be wasting money even if it goes
titis up :)
blackwhite_: The source engine is already build.
The rest I can do myself.
Mats_cd03: or hire a few programmers
that know
their shit and build your own brand, what do you need a
trading website for?
blackwhite_: ok guys I have a question. I am considering buying a
trading website and
turning it into a site based on bitcoin data instead. Is
there any good sources for realtime bitcoin data?
benkay: bitmia: if you're
trying
to make a crypto-related
thing less of a hassle, you're undermining
the point of crypto-things.
BingoBoingo: If
there was a conjunction is
this language
that functioned as a one way or such
that [(A&B) or B] I would have use it instead
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, I was more going for it is problematic
to have multisig where all of
the keys live on
the same server.
bitmia: BingoBoingo: will 2FA suffice, you
think?
bitmia: I see where you're going with
this, it's simply a pain in
the ass
to do multisig
BingoBoingo: bitmia: And does Gribble ever have
to possess your private key for
this
to happen?
BingoBoingo: Now if you want
to
trust something stronger
than passwords
that is admirable.
BingoBoingo: bitmia:
This confusion you are showing you you use words like privkey and automatically sign, is a common one
bitmia: BingoBoingo: encrypt buyer's privkey on
the server using his password, automatically sign
the
transaction with
the seller's key, show
the buyer a flashy "finalize" button?
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, what ways are
there
to do what multisig does which would be both A) less of a hassle and B) accomplish your goal more effectively
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, what would you want
the multisig
to do
that couldn't otherwise be accomplished?
ThickAsThieves: hopefully he can rape
the provider for his losses and
then some
bitmia: when people are forced
to
take a leap of faith, conversion suffers
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, either you can be
trusted
to run a marketplace or you can't. Maybe some people
trust you and some don't.
bitmia: given
the fact we publish
the escrow on github and make it possible
to check
the hash sum
BingoBoingo: Nothing can promise positive returns on
the
timeline of soon. Not even
things which might probably realize a positive return on
the
timeline of, quite a ways in
the future.
bitmia: so ugh, I've been skimming
the logs for quite a while.
there's no point in doing a multisig Bitcoin marketplace, is
there?
BingoBoingo: "Soon" is really much
too short of a
timeline
to invest for.
LordPutin: i really need
to pay for my daughters surgery soon
BingoBoingo: And
there's definitely room for saying
the same
things in another
tone and with different words. Even if nearly
the same essential
thing is said.