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chetty: yeah he cut
the looking for work stuff
MisterE: did O change it? I didn't
think so
MisterE: it's still not very great but you have
to be
trying
to work or something and its not endless
MisterE: was pretty harsh people coming off some
things like mental health services
took a beating but it's evened out since
MisterE: US welfare ain't
that great
cazalla: I would guess Australia welfare pays better
than Walmart
chetty: isnt US welfare actually more
than min wage now?
cazalla: almost makes you want
to say fuck it, get a payment and use it
to buy bitcoins
cazalla: "The overview shows
the number of people receiving government payments in 2012 was 5,033,323, with
the age pension making up almost half
that number at 2,282,592"
chetty: is
there actually anywhere in
the world left
thats not pretty much a welfare state?
cazalla: most people
take a loan and never pay it back so it is effectively free
MisterE: now I hear
the welfare has messed it up like
the UK, maybe followed
that model.
MisterE: that always seemed
to be
the kind of state you guys had managed
to make
MisterE: you know
the US libertarian ideal?
cazalla: MisterE: I would only get away
talking like
this at
the pub, not in general public,
there are just as many who would disagree with me but
they
typically want
to pile on for
the free shit from
the government
MisterE: naah I learned a lot about how Austrailians
think and whats really going on
there from
this chat
cazalla: MisterE: it is but i only
talk when drunk and unlikely
to say anything intelligible
then
cazalla: anyway, going
to make some dinner
MisterE: I'm never here so I don't know but I
thought pretty much politics and intelligent exchange of ideas is OK
bounce: but at least it's /your/ jerk for king of
the hill
cazalla: i don't
think
this conversation would fly in here during peak hours
bounce: the cause of making some elitist jerk
the new king of
the hill, what else?
MisterE: bounce: depends on
the cause
cazalla: oh, how about you go and get sterilised? oh,
they didn't mean
themselves, just others
cazalla: just like
those who call for population control
cazalla: i was just about
to say
that
bounce: would you be part of
that 10%?
cazalla: i feel it's being
threatened
MisterE: What we really need is a war
to kill off like 10%
MisterE: fucking life sucks if
this is good as it gets
MisterE: that occupy wall street hippy
thing was not it
cazalla: bounce: you're right, i have a whinge, jerk off and go
to bed
MisterE: If
there were a real grass roots movement I would go back
to
the US
to be a part of it
bounce: I
think you both are wallowing in
the same kind of feeling put upon
that got
the activists up before and had
them change
the gov't and such more
to
their liking
cazalla: well, i've been drinking hence
the shit spewing out of my mouth
MisterE: yea, given
the human condition as I see it it's understandable
cazalla: no wonder men prefer
to sit in
their parents basement playing video games
MisterE: now it
takes 2 incomes
to qualify for a home loan lol
bounce: talking in -isms won't help you, seeing how
those got us
there in
the first place
cazalla: it was shameful
to
take welfare once upon a
time
cazalla: bounce: conservative values were destroyed and here we are, least
that is what i see it as, evils of feminism and all
that
bounce: you
take care of yourself, pay
taxes, gov't
takes care of
those who can't help
themselves with "free money".
then more and more people want in on
the free monies, and so it goes.
MisterE: saving used
to be good now if your credit cards aren't maxed you're not a patriot
bounce: well, what do you
think happened
to it?
MisterE: what happened
to
taking care of your own shit and self responsibility
MisterE: cant blam
the govs only imho people have come
to expect
too much from gov
bounce: well, wasn't it
the /national/ government
that fscked it all up so bad?
MisterE: So I'm usually based in
Thailand
MisterE: there's not a place I can
think of
to live
that's not fucked one way or another
MisterE: no and I can't find anywhere in
the world better
cazalla: i'm jack of it and i suspect
there are a growing number of people like me from
the middle class who won't put up with it for much longer
MisterE: I had a consulting company
that paid a lot of
tax and saw it all going
to fight
those wars and what not, no
thankyou
cazalla: hopefully hitler reincarnate will come back here, appropriate everything foreign owned, send
the refugees back home (85% without a job, still on welfare after 5 years? fuck
that)
MisterE: I used
to be a crusader and activist int he US in my 20s
cazalla: i don't see how else you can unite a people and kick out
the leeches
cazalla: MisterE, when I was 20, I
thought ideas like social justice, equality, peace etc etc were good ideas, now
that I'm in my 30s, I find myself hoping for a catalyst
that would bring about a nationalist party
to power,
that's a big change in just a decade
MisterE: strict rules on land ownership here because of
that
MisterE: those chinese dont want
to live in
the bush
MisterE: because
there's not a
ton of livable land
cazalla: depsite all
that, it's a great country :)
MisterE: oh
that should be stopped ASAP you can't have foreign counties buying up your country
cazalla: big problem with
that here - locals being pushed out by Chinese who bid 20% over asking price at auction
MisterE: older
than you but not enough
to be your father
cazalla: Chinese come here and offer big bucks and who's going
to refuse
that?
MisterE: that property should be held by
the members of
that homogenous society you mentioned no?
cazalla: plus we have some of
the most expensive property in
the world
MisterE: burned up with doctor visits and working part-time after a long life of
toiling for
the corps
MisterE: at least it is not as big and bad as
the mess US baby boomers are leaving
to
their grandchildren
cazalla: but
they're hanging around for as long as
they can because
the pension isn't enough
to sustain
them
cazalla: many still in
the workforce
though
cazalla: boomers are about
to retire
MisterE: oh you got a baby boom
too?
MisterE: start running up a debt like
the US and you'll be foreced
to
cazalla: but
they won't do anything because
that many people get welfare now
that it's political suicide
MisterE: oh so everyone is in
the
tit
MisterE: cutting welfare costs is non an unpopular
topic for campaigns in
the US
MisterE: so vote in politicians who will reign in
the welfare?
cazalla: you can't because
they destroyed our homogeneous society by bringing in boat loads of people who don't share
the culture, don't care for
the country but have
their hand out for welfare
MisterE: I had no idea
there was
that uch frustration
MisterE: vote
the bums out organize
cazalla: anyway, i
think
the situation is
too far gone here in Australia as it likely has in
the rest of
the world
MisterE: OK it's impossible
to change shit in
the US at
the ballot box because it's corporate owned but shit you still have a functioning democracy you could make use of
MisterE: Diablo-D3: American here
too just living abroad
cazalla: MisterE: pointless being pissed at
the politicians who enable
them because my vote makes no difference and
they don't care once
they are in office anyway
MisterE: they care just not about
the poor