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jurov: mandatory proof of infosec competence for whoever asks bitcoins deposits/loans/investments would be
tad better
jurov: ninjashogun:
that proposal isn't even funny
ninjashogun: every week you hear of an exchange closing down freezing funds etc due
to hacking.
jurov: mp is asking
that second or
third
time already, you could have explained him
that when i'm not around...
jurov: mircea_popescu: fico only won first round and with only 4% gain. second (final) round is scheduled
to march 29
benkay: swear
to god i know
that girl.
mike_c: the data for creating
the brain may be
that small, but
the code
that runs it (rules of chemistry, biology, etc) is huge.
midnightmagic: There is also no "theoretical proof"
that
the architecture of
the brain is "under 700MB".
That's utter nonsense.
midnightmagic: No, whoever came up with
that $1b estimate is someone being silly and probably looking for grant money.
benkay: no quadrillion dollar exit or anything, but
the mgmt
team had accelerated vesting in place for everyone with options, so it looks like a chunk of
the PDX clojure group will be
taking rather nice vacations
this year if
the workload ever slows down.
benkay: "here's a
team
that's actually built a
thing
that makes money. let's buy
the
thing and leverage
the
team's proven
track record of shipping high-quality software
to ameliorate our dependency on ancient internal
tooling."
benkay: they just got bought by BBVA, iirc. from what i understand
the spaniards want
to leverage
the stack
that Simple built out for
themselves across a load of different networks.
benkay: "i mean yeah - it's a US bank.
they likely won't do a runner with your cash.
they're also just like every other bank in
the states, except maybe not running on mainframes older
than yourself and myself put
together."
benkay: a friend was curious about
http://www.simple.com: "their advertising pitch seemed
to be: 'coffee. flannel. dogs. bank. flannel. guitars on a porch. bank.'"
benkay: consumer banking is so commoditized
that apparently one can accidentally operate a bank.
ninjashogun: but we have a
theoretical proof
that
the architecture of
the brain is somehow encoded into under 700 MB. (well under
that, as
that encodes
the full human body.)
ninjashogun: Of course we have no chance in hell of modelling
the development of a brain by "running"
the code. We can't even model a few molecules fully.
ninjashogun: Also don't forget
that we know for a fact
that
the architecture in
the brain is encoded in no more
than 700 MB
totally uncompressed.
That is how much
the human genome
takes
to encode as simple bits (adenine(A), cytosine (C), guanine (G) and
thymine (T) encoded as
two bits each). With some compression
that's even less.
ninjashogun: Hardware-wise, if we had
the code
than a simple cluster of a few
tons of CPU and RAM units could probably run it.
ninjashogun: Based on
the simple calculation
that
the brain is just 3 pounds, 1.25 liters, and fires at 200 herz, it is extremely likely
that
there exists ∃ (latex \exists) code
that we could run
that would result in a brain running at an appreciable percentage of real-time brain speed, using < $1B of hardware. But we don't have
the code, even
though it probably \exists
ninjashogun: midnightmagic, it's an interesting situation . Rather
than being limited by hardware ,we're very possibly limited by software. We don't know what
to run - it's not
that we can't run it, but we don't have
the software written.
ninjashogun: midnightmagic, well I agree. Our current understanding isn't even enough for a full model. we wouldn't know what
to run even if we had a supercomputer with unlimited resources. we don't have
the code.
midnightmagic: for
the foreseeable future,
there is no computer even contemplated
that could model
the human brain as we understand it right now, let alone as new discoveries arrive.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, exactly,
they're not in sync because why would
they be. But is
that out of phase effect used
to do calculation or
the equivalent of a pipeline, etc? Probably not.
midnightmagic: ninjashogun: Nope.
There is not enough understanding
to model even small parts of
the human brain.
The structures we know about are unknown.
There are likely other structures we don't yet know about.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I would
think
that
the brain doesn't depend on sensitive
timing information like
that, but rather on
the pathways
that are activated (irrespective of
timing).
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I understand. Do you
think
that
timing is used by
the brain in
this way?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform,
that is a very good and interesting example. Do you
think
that
the brain relies on
these sampling effects?
ninjashogun: midnightmagic,
this is very
true. But, for example, if a supercomputer were
to model
these interconnects but had fewer "physical" neurons (CPU units),
then
the same CPU units could be reused 20 million
times (4 ghz / 200 herz)
to get realtime speed. (This is just an example of how
to
think about it.)
midnightmagic: except 100,000,000,000 neurons at 200hz each equals a
total meaningless cross-product of 20,000,000,000,000
things which is much higher
than
the 4,000,000,000 other
things; plus interconnect, microtubules, memory, specialization, and so on mean
there is no "faster".
ninjashogun: midnightmagic,
the other interesting
thing is
that
the brain weighs just 3 pounds and
takes up 1.26 liters. (1400 grams, 1.3 US quarts).
ninjashogun: hi, midnightmagic. Well, yes and no. It is meaningless, you are right. But it's also interesting
that it means
that a supercomputer running at 4 ghz interconnect speed runs at a native speed of 10,000,000
times faster
than neurons' native speeds.
midnightmagic: ninjashogun:
That is meaningless.
The full structure of
the brain hasn't even been fully undertood yet.
ThickAsThieves: google is showing not much success repairing
the
tablet i am attempting
ninjashogun: anything you can do in 5 seconds includes no individual neurons firing more
than 1,000
times.
ninjashogun: if someone
told me you can do everything a human can do in
terms of brain-processing (from vision
to motor control
to
thinking speaking, reacting, EVERYTHING)
thorugh a neural net at which
the maximum speed of any neuron is 200 herz I'd have laughed. "suuure."
mircea_popescu: seeing how
the more people read
the more
their fixed costs go up.
mircea_popescu: vice doesn't really have much interest in making it easy for people
to read, either,
benkay: (correction: vice hasn't fixed
the pagedown)
ninjashogun: Our brain operates at a maxmium of 200 herz.
That is mind-bogglingly slow.
mircea_popescu: i get it
that impotence is a major problem
there, both culturally and sexually, but
that's scarcely an excuse.
ninjashogun: "Although different neurons fire at different speeds, as a rough estimate it is reasonable
to estimate
that a neuron can fire about once every 5 milliseconds, or about 200
times a second"
mircea_popescu: this bullshit whereby a clueless shit will "invent" something and
the world will "adapt"
to it is sheer usinsanity.
mircea_popescu: and no, it's not
that we've adapted
to
the lines.
the lines are adapted
to us.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, what I found really amazing on
the brain is
the herz
that neurons can fire at before
tiring. Given how much processing we do every second,
take a guess at what
the maximal neuronic herz rate is in
the brain :)
mircea_popescu: plenty of "smarter
than necessary" folk came up with lines
that went 123 654 789 etc
benkay: re lines
that's been a staple for a good millenia or so
tho
mircea_popescu: "but moving eyes from end
to begin of line must add cognitive load"
mircea_popescu: scrolling is not unlike
the revolutionary notion of having sentences broken up on lines on
the written page
benkay: scrolling *has*
to impose additional cognitive load.
benkay: functionality my ux-perts
tell me nobody uses any more.
benkay: it seems
that Vice is
the only publication on
the internet who've been able
to implement a bootstrap header without
totally fucking
the page-down functionality of yore.
benkay: cooking bacon
too, you see.
benkay: so
the girl draped some gauzy fabric in front of
the apartment window; we verified
that nobody can see in during
the day, and now i'm at my standing desk aka
the kitchen island shirt-cocking hard
ozbot: Sinkhole of bureaucracy |
The Washington Post
mircea_popescu: i can't even remember, i liked
the guy since i was 14 or so
ThickAsThieves: so, i am
trying
to repair a broken
tablet lcd and my current problem is it is glued
to
the frame and i've no heat gun, nor is
the sun particularly bright
today
cads: another friend has suggested it but I haven't made
time for it
cads: mircea_popescu: who/what
turned you on
to reading
the berkshire letters?
chetty: Turkish fighter jets shot down a Syrian warplane after it violated
Turkey’s airspace Sunday
thestringpuller: That's what I'd figure you'd say, and I expect you
to be
the only one in
the nursing home flirting at 95...
mircea_popescu: you
think if i get alzhimers' when im 95
that'll change
the 2013 articles on
trilema in any way ?
mircea_popescu: the letters are old, and as respectable as
they ever were.
mircea_popescu: read
that whole set, you'll be ahead of about half
the group of folk
that identify as finance-anythign
mike_c: last year's
trilema :)
VanCleef: i read mircea's blog sometimes does anyone have any other handy reading material or youtube videos, doesn't have
to be about bitcoin just something along
the lines of investing
mircea_popescu: can you imagine how shocked
the aliens/reptillians/illuminati/etc watching
this will be
mike_c: we were
talking about sending our btc
to kako for a new mining venture.
mircea_popescu: before
that back in 2012 he was going
to post pics of his mining farm
kakobrekla: or its just me who can smell
the shit early