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CheckDavid: Maybe because they are accepted by the company to pay for the products it provides?
CheckDavid: Could they still be traded accordingly to the business performance somehow?
benkay: why? magic. trust in the issuer.
CheckDavid: Yes. But imagine the coins are not tied to equity.
benkay: if that company has value, the share has a slice of the value.
CheckDavid: benkay: what exactly is that magic?
benkay: CheckDavid: that's the magic of owning shares in a business.
CheckDavid: How could their value still be correlated with the business performance?
ThickAsThieves: <thestringpuller> CheckDavid: ThickAsThieves has auto divident paying mechanisms in place. /// uhh what?
CheckDavid: What of the coins award no dividends?
CheckDavid: Ok then forget dividends
benkay: CheckDavid: we've explained how to handle that.
CheckDavid: That ads something else to worry about
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: I know. But one had to account for the possibility of coins being exchanged
thestringpuller: directly to bitcoin addresses*
tg2: its better than half the coins
thestringpuller: it's not really that hard.
thestringpuller: CheckDavid: ThickAsThieves has auto divident paying mechanisms in place. I know several people pay dividends directly to bitcoins. If you're generating a profit and want to distribute it accordingly, you could do so even manually.
benkay: thing about shitcoin is that one doesn't get to select the coins received
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: is that to me? :)
thestringpuller: instead of reinvesting the money in better assets
thestringpuller: i want to pay out dividends
thestringpuller: People will just end up using it to mark bitcoins during stings on drug deals or trace laundered money.
thestringpuller: But it's far easier to trade OTC stuff...you know here...on IRC...over the counter...
thestringpuller: Open Transactions.
thestringpuller: Yea there is a prototype I think in this one OT client.
Duffer1: is there a colored coin system even out yet?
CheckDavid: Looks hard to push something like this into production
benkay: no signing things with btc addresses
thestringpuller: hey better yet! have them sign the email with a btc address
benkay: yes you do, CheckDavid otherwise arbitrary entities can transfer shares arbitrarily.
CheckDavid: I just need to know who the current owner is
CheckDavid: I don't think one needs the original shareholder signature
thestringpuller: Hasn't this been discussed? benkay am I going crazy?
thestringpuller: you go to your bot
thestringpuller: so then non related person sends you the issuer a gpg signed email from both the original shareholder and themselves signifying an exchange
CheckDavid: Members are one thing. Then the com can be exchanged off site
CheckDavid: What about non members that acquire the coin?
thestringpuller: You called them members!
CheckDavid: But why do you call them members?
thestringpuller: Look there you go.
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thestringpuller: ;;google site: trilema.com gpg contracts
benkay: you get to make it
CheckDavid: I don't know the format of such a contract
thestringpuller: you do 3) set up bot to pay to addresses
thestringpuller: not at all, you 1) want to pay out profits from your website to members
CheckDavid: What are you talking about?
benkay: the public offering is required to get the hype machine going so that the 'ipo' pulls in as many coins as possible
thestringpuller: there is no need to have a public offering...
thestringpuller: the members can trade equity as they see fit amongst themselves...
benkay: "please send divs previously associated with 1fuckmylife to 1fuckhislife"
CheckDavid: But then I was suggested not to give any equity
benkay: 1 gpg-signed email is all that'd take
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: that was e initial idea
thestringpuller: you mean equity is transferred?
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: provided by members? What about when coins are transferred?
thestringpuller: CheckDavid: right a gpg contract, pay out divs to a btc address provided by members. not hard :P
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benkay: ;;rate thestringpuller 1 not likely to mess your day up
CheckDavid: I would like to distribute equity among the members of my website
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benkay: ;;gettrust thestringpuller
CheckDavid: Duffer1: not sure about the terms. But I assumed colored
Duffer1: are you thinking of an alt coin or colored coin?
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CheckDavid: Duffer1: sorry of yes. Except it's digital toilet paper
CheckDavid: Or so I think
CheckDavid: Duffer1: the coins should have some utility for the life of the business
Duffer1: checkdavid that would be like a kickstarter project sending out toilet paper instead of gadgets or equity
Mats_cd03: its kind of like issuing dave and busters tokens
Duffer1: you could visit any alt coin exchange to see the inevitable, and guaranteed, fate of all alt coins that have come before
CheckDavid: benkay: is that related to what I said benkay ?
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benkay: ;;google trilema colored coins
CheckDavid: What do you think about issuing a coin as a way of funding for a business?
benkay: that'd make some nice hash, tg2
tg2: you can just retrieve them from there
tg2: i put them in your /dev/urandom
benkay: i want to put tg2's discarded keys into this hash i'm working on
benkay: i'm talking about salmon hash, corned beef hash, crypto hash
benkay: i think i want all those discarded keys tg2's dropping on the floor
Mats_cd03: benkay: ever tried making oil?
deadweasel: benkay, got half a grocery bag of trim here if you want to add it in.
deadweasel: put some entropy in that shit
benkay: making some hash today
tg2: the intel system seems fine without that crutch
pankkake: try haveged, too
pankkake: well then, you *were* entropy starved
tg2: using rngtools though
bounce: no wonder, since it is about the investor / state dispute settlement ("allow corps to squeeze backward governments") in yet another american trade agreement, this time with europe
punkman1: deadweasel: judging by the title, they barely read the paper
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deadweasel: why would anybody consult the public?
bounce: how to consult the public while clearly not listening: http://trade.ec.europa.eu/consultations/index.cfm?consul_id=179
deadweasel: look at the picture!
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tg2: newer xeons use it I think
pankkake: and as a rule, don't touch crypto stuff you don't understand, you'll shoot yourself in the foot
tg2: (not implying that is secure)