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novusordo: let me post
that
to reddit without reading it
Namworld: No. But as admin I get
to determine what is and what isn't acceptable. Even if
the nuance is subtle.
ozbot: MPEx owner in danger of being extradited
to US
to face charges
mircea_popescu: is
there a difference between "i perceive a difference" and "there is a difference" ?
Namworld: There's a difference between "This guy is a scammer LINK" "This is a scam because X, Y, Z or because I
think so" and "You sound like a scammer, get
the fuck out you dimwit scum"
mircea_popescu: "Your honor, we finally got around
to reading 2012
Trilema. We humbly submit
this is a complete gamechanger."
Namworld: And I wouldn't ban scam accusations, weither
true or false, like I wouldn't ban someone I
thought is probably a scammer, weither
true or false?
ozbot: Alleged Silk Road Creator's Lawyer Denies Bitcoin Is 'Monetary Instrument,' Moves
To Drop All Charge
ThickAsThieves: it's not provable, but also not
true discourse if false
ThickAsThieves: <Namworld> At
the same
time, why would
they ban scammers? It's not like it's
their job
to investigate and provide proof of scams and
then ban
them.
That's not how forums work.
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ThickAsThieves: suddenly youre in
the business you said you shouldnt be in
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novusordo: "I am insulted
that
this person is calling out my scam"
ThickAsThieves: yeah but you cant
train forumites on what
to complain about
Namworld: Insult as randomly calling people words and swearing at
them, not people "feeling" insulted.
mircea_popescu: Namworld
that's what you
think for lack of experience. what's "an insult" ?
mircea_popescu: "california housing market
too expensive for underprivileged groups ? PEOPLE MUST NAO LIST HOUSES FOR SALE PAYMENT IN COWRIES"
mod6: I wanted MPOE-PR
to kill
that site with fire.
Namworld: Insult = ban, explanation as
to why someone shouldn't be
trusted/their offer is bad, okay as long as polite.
Namworld: Honestly, I'd probably just ban people insulting others/derailing
threads regardless of how likely
they are right or
the accused is a scammer.
kakobrekla: yes
thermos did not respond
to my email
kakobrekla: you can still rate even if you are banned so i use
that
to leave messages
to people
Namworld: They already gave a rating system for people
to leave feedbacks/make investigation of scam accusation easy. Rating page will list all
the wrongs people are accused of.
ThickAsThieves: we're here all
trying
to sort
the finer points of why its fucked
ThickAsThieves: the problem is
this conversation puts us down
to
their level, and
that pissed me off
too
mircea_popescu: after people get used
to
this, maged can start deleting posts
that inconvenience his clients.
mircea_popescu: first, allow any random scammer
to moderate hteir own
thread
Namworld: That should indeed be implemented. So scammers can't leverage an account with lots of post
to make a clean
thread. Yet again, if you don't look up
the guy's history even if
the
thread is clean...
mircea_popescu: from "derps derping bitcoin"
to "these people are criminals in disguise"
mircea_popescu: Namworld not giving scammers
the ability
to make "Self moderated"
threads would be one
thing.
Namworld: Not like banning
them would prevent
them from coming back under a new identity.
mircea_popescu: mebbe specially rendition some chicks outta
their clothes while at it.
Namworld: I'd probably have left him
there, yes. Let people rate each other/sort scammers out/investigate offers. It's
trivial
to make new accounts anyway. Scammers might as well keep
their account with psts but also
tainted reputation.
ThickAsThieves: mods wanna mod, but dont start with
their own rep system for
targets?
twizt: mircea_popescu: did
they extradite you yet lol
Namworld: Garr? is he still
there under his own account?
kakobrekla: interestingly
there seems
to be
two groups of people. first
think asseters
took ze drugs,
the second group
thinks
they
them selfs are on something. perhaps
this
tells a
thing.
Namworld: That's
the other issue with forums. If some admins/mods are bad and good at it, you won't see it.
mircea_popescu: generally speaking
this is
true. it gets real hard
to argue no mens rea after you;ve been shown
to have
taken positive steps.
Namworld: Perhaps, I didn't read about
that part of deleting posts complaining about moderators.
ThickAsThieves: it is in
their financial interest
to be ethical
though
ThickAsThieves: Namworld i
think your view is
too black & white on
the matter
mod6: was reading
through
the logs, was like: O_o are
they all on LSD
today?
mircea_popescu: Namworld yeah except if you ban people
that
tell you
to get fucked after you deleted a half dozen posts
they made ostensibly because "you have
to minimise
the visibility of moderation" but really because you just as well didn't want
their content visible
Namworld: They provide a medium
to communicate,
they don't protect people from
themselves/scammers.
mod6: lilo` was a freenode admin back in
the day.
mircea_popescu: answer : a mobster and acting boss of
the bonanno crime family.
Namworld: I can see why
they'd say
they only ban people derailing conversations/insulting without proofs. And just put a little scammer
tag only once it's proven it's a scam.
moiety: it's actually really easy lpace
to forget about
Namworld: At
the same
time, why would
they ban scammers? It's not like it's
their job
to investigate and provide proof of scams and
then ban
them.
That's not how forums work. Plus
the whole
thing about banning without proof at first.
ThickAsThieves: <moiety>
ThickAsThieves: if you really want banned, simply go in anything and personally insult people offtopic. /// seems a step
too far for me, i'll just not visit anymore unless
to view a reference from
this chan, or
the like
mircea_popescu: prolly can clear 10 dollars a day on average, for 8 hour's work, which is just about
the worldwide net average salary.
Namworld: Some might not be poor. Like a kid, just for
the
thrill. Scam a little amount.
Namworld: Scamming 10 bucks here, 50
there, making new accounts and a few posts and small
trades.
Namworld: I'm sure it's a job for many on
the forums/otc.
Namworld: It's completly not worth it
to sue
them, plus people won't do it just for
the principle because
the person is probably poor and in bad need of money. So why send a message by suing for something so small? (On
top of it being close
to impossible, re other jurisdiction combined with low amount)
mircea_popescu: Namworld good point re
the relative safety. i guess many of
them aren't unaware of it.
bounce: asleep at
the wheel
then
trying
to pull a sgt. hardass, wasn't
too impressive from what little I saw of it.
moiety: its unfair because of
the way
that forum is conducted
Namworld: So, well... yeah, I'm not surprised.
Those kind of people will be around as long as it works.
Namworld: And
the guy knows he's not going
to be sued for it.
moiety: ThickAsThieves: if you really want banned, simply go in anything and personally insult people offtopic. its
the only
thing
they ban for, in
their words.
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mircea_popescu: moiety what's so unfair about it lol. she
told
teh guy where
to stuff it, how many employees get
to do
that ?
mircea_popescu: they should also invest in
that casino
thing , whatever it was called.
moiety: mircea_popescu: i just caught up properly. is mpoe-pr ok? I hope so. it's pretty rough going dealing with shit for a long
time and it
then it ending unfairly.
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