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jurov: that isn'
t eye rape, too?
punkman: " if a single ls doesn'
t use up at least 50% of installed RAM then it is condoning the toxic culture of fat shaming."
felipelalli: Vexual: 80% don'
t know what bitcoin is and 90% of the remaining 20% think it is a scam. Is that your question?
punkman: the glass tech wasn'
t that good imo
ben_vulpes: got a writeup somewhere? i don'
t understand the implications straight off.
ben_vulpes: wasn'
t even keeping logs at that point
ben_vulpes: i don'
t know if i was around at that point.
mircea_popescu: it doesn'
t seem to have much notion of economics in any sense.
mircea_popescu: i don'
t think the 0.1 source was ever actually released
mircea_popescu: if i wasn'
t so disinterested i'd have someone mine reddit to get a relative comparison of votes/words wasted on gavin's coin vs neobee
mircea_popescu: "hey listen, we have a perfect system that works in proved practice to reward miners. let's replace it with some libertard idiocy that a) provedly never worked in practice and b) for well understood theoretical reasons that we don'
t like so they don'
t really exist"
mircea_popescu: Yes, I personally have lost enthusiasm for recruiting merchants, because I don'
t know what will happen once 1 MB block size limit is reached, "
decimation: yeah that's a good point, the heirarchy is too busy running actual business - it doesn'
t have time to prance around and promise the moon to the sans-culottes
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to regret that reagan didn'
t make more us workers go to party indoctrination class.
mircea_popescu: of course, the right doesn'
t generally create unruly mobs of idiots that spout nonsense. this, principally, because the right is not comfortable for idiots.
mircea_popescu: decimation i don'
t really see it the same way. when nanotube was disappeared earlier this month, gribble got replaced within something like a week. seems to me the organisation's fine.
mircea_popescu: what sort of rotten oats would an ass have to eat to imagine that something that couldn'
t be done later should be done now. it's the screaming declaration of "we don'
t represent anyone but wish to rule everyone"
mircea_popescu: because a) we deeply care about the "i predicts" of propaganda agents ; b) "hurry up guise, if we don'
t do it while nobody's looking we won'
t be able to do it at all"
mircea_popescu: decimation for sure, making it plain that bitcoin isn'
t a sort of
http / pki / dns / ietf / whatever captive protocol in the courtyard of some us dependent or another is quite valuable. first and foremost for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: his rethoric was different a coupla months ago, and as far as anyone can tell hasn'
t actually caught up with your representation thereof.
mircea_popescu: i don'
t know why a whale would want to be 20 tons. so what of it.
mircea_popescu: you don'
t get a private island just because you want one. things have to do with each other, it's the way of the world.
Luke-Jr: I can'
t imagine how the block size is at all related to governments, or why a government would aim to change it.
mircea_popescu: it's so far 100% of the bitcoin "told the usg to get fucked" party. once you digest that you might be in a better position to evaluate who matters and who doesn'
t,
mircea_popescu: people here don'
t "have concerns". people here are going to skin the fork as proposed so far, no argument there. gavin can start reading or press ahead, either way.
Luke-Jr: anyhow, I don'
t think Gavin knows people here have concerns. I'd suggest doing a writeup of what those concerns are, and what Gavin needs to do if he wants your approval for a hardfork. I know you shouldn'
t *have to*, but otherwise I don'
t see any way this is likely to come to a resolution.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: If Gavin wanted to force the hardfork, he wouldn'
t be frustrated at his inability to convince people ;)
mircea_popescu: sometimes we don'
t get what we want. that doesn'
t mean our wants now have a wild card and nothing else matters anymore. this isn'
t school.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr anyway, inasmuch as everyone actually wants bitcoin to prevail, divergence of opinion isn'
t much of a problem. however, the conservative rather than the progressive approach must be observed. change doesn'
t happen just for the sake of changing things. this isn'
t a fad or an ipad gizmo. if consensus can'
t be reached for whatever reason, whoever doesn'
t like it leaves and starts over, rather than pretending the o
Luke-Jr: (ugh, I'm being unclear: I mean the onus is on him to convince you, and you shouldn'
t have to convince him)
Luke-Jr: and I hope Gavin doesn'
t plan to just ignore DarkWallet and your fork - though I wouldn'
t be surprised if he did to be honest
Luke-Jr: oh well, I guess it's managable if you don'
t plan to do much maintenance to it
Luke-Jr: although I suppose that doesn'
t help if you want multiple people to sign them
Luke-Jr: it can'
t, if you don'
t have the 0.8.1 hardfork patched in..
☟︎ Luke-Jr: I don'
t want patches, I want the complete code.
mod6: If you don'
t want to bother digging through the mailing list for patches, you can just dl the tarballs under "Submitted Patches" on thebitcoin.foundation site
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: Gavin wants to know what has to happen for people to agree to it - he isn'
t trying to force it through without consensus
Luke-Jr: when he proposes it, then people can argue for/against it, and either it will gain consensus or it won'
t mircea_popescu: there is no "community" agreement. reddit isn;'
t the community.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: there isn'
t anything yet, he hasn'
t even proposed one
mircea_popescu: genders don'
t preserve through the eons, they bleed. the french soldier of 1800 wasn'
t a soldier in 1750. he was a peasant.
mircea_popescu: fifty or five hundred years ago, that wasn'
t a crowd. it was sole individuals, and the idiots were still a crowd.
nubbins`: you have any idea how many fuckin miracles my folks didn'
t let me buy?!
mircea_popescu: a) do not make too tiny cuts that wouldn'
t have survived mechanically b) clean the fucking piece.
felipelalli: how can I fix that? I can'
t delete or update it.
mircea_popescu: they created a "joint comission" with iran. it didn'
t get anywhere.
mircea_popescu: you can'
t get me to seriously think that some intricate point of policy yields 500 people holding signs in the street,
davout: lesson: don'
t fuck with your permalinks
mircea_popescu: only real difference being the idiots don'
t have sense enough to chicken out right before the jump
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn'
t clean it, i'd just host impalement orgies for kidnapped daughters of the "elite" doing whatever women's studies bullshit in college.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: yea but we don'
t pay our civil engineers nearly enough, or allocated enough money to design to warrant good roads in this country at least.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice the very convenient "uilding Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse" just on the tail end of two decades of "we can'
t actually afford to build anything anymore" and as "we can'
t really even maintain what we got" sets in.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Interesting comparison in SimCity. So you plan roads all willy nilly. I like curves yay! Etc. anyhow. traffic starts building up cause your shit ain'
t planned well.
mircea_popescu: well just don'
t make it scale down bvy the same formula
jurov: and you wouldn'
t be able to spend the 1k again in 100 blocks
mircea_popescu: jurov i don'
t get your logic. why can'
t i use external tx fees ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: you would be able to do it only every 100 blocks and since you wouldn'
t then use external tx fees, rather unprofitable
BingoBoingo: I mean someone is going to have to vouch you aren'
t a shithead to get an apprenticeship
jurov: what would you gain? to count you'd have to publish the block anyway so that it isn'
t orphaned
mircea_popescu: miner makes a block out of tx with huge fees that he doesn'
t broadcast. if it goes in, it's in. if not, no loss.
jurov: i'm surprised gavin isn'
t considering rule like "allow for blocksize increase if tx fees bigger than some % of coinbase"
mod6: thestringpuller: they were right, except they didn'
t figure in fed[ctrl+p]
mircea_popescu: the hard problem of back-ups for people who don'
t crypto.
ben_vulpes: and i can'
t figure out how to turn it off
thestringpuller: Didn'
t he say to you, "No one is saying make the block size infinite"
nubbins`: i don'
t think he realizes you can silkscreen on things other than
t-shirts
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aren'
t they trapped ? actually hunted instead ?!
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2015 21:55:19; mircea_popescu: ok well, inasmuch undata is new and this isn'
t really very hard, let him do it then, gain some cred.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no price signal << MP ain'
t opening the studio up until this is fixed
STRML: mircea_popescu: Just wanted to say that I appreciate what you do, I didn'
t realize you were behind MPEx
mircea_popescu: "The retaliation has been terrifying." << no, it hasn'
t.
nubbins`: the thread's there so he doesn'
t need to waste time making it later.
mircea_popescu: no, that it doesn'
t. my suspicion is, as far as i'm personally concerned, grounded mostly in the fact that you had no idea that, for instance, mpoe covered ~30k btc worth of derivative losses without "sociualising". this in 2013.
danielpbarron: i didn'
t realize he had such a reputation in here! I mostly know about him from when i used to idle in -otc
STRML: Just because I haven'
t spent much time on this particular IRC channel doesn'
t mean that I, and by extension my company, is untrustworthy
STRML: And we're the only derivs exchange that doesn'
t do socialized losses. It takes a far different approach to guarantee something like that
mircea_popescu: STRML do you understand the space between a claim and a fact ? anyone can say that. in fact, people tend to. this doesn'
t correlate with anything substantial.
STRML: We don'
t think it's ready for options at all, actually
mircea_popescu: "BitMEX is the first centrally cleared derivatives exchange. " << the first it certainly isn'
t.
☟︎ STRML: We are a derivatives exchange for investors and speculators who are serious about the products they trade. I could give you the whole pitch but I don'
t want to spam the channel :)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not much need for that to be a rumour. obviousness is obvious, i dun think anyone doesn'
t know they are.