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wywialm: bounce,
thats why "collapse" and not collapse
fluffypony: dexX7: yes, but
the email will look like it's coming from
the intermediary, no? so it will have
to be in your SPF?
bounce: likewise
the ottoman empire
wywialm: maybe
the key difference is
the
time - and gradual nature
bounce: that
took a goodly while,
though
wywialm: so it's not easy
to perform generalizations here. Probably most obvious example of decentralizing "collapse" (or rather decline) would be Rome
dexX7: i set
the ns records of
the hop in
the domain settings and
the intermediate simply redirects
the mails
wywialm: bounce, surely, but
the ussr collapse, which is (as i noticed) main reference point now, lead
to less centralization
fluffypony: dexX7: is
the intermediary hop in your SPF record?
fluffypony: dexX7:
typically
they let it
through but flag it as spam unless something is very wrong
bounce: noticed how
the french revolution caused /more/, not less, centralisation? france hasn't quite recovered yet.
wywialm: ...but it's hard for me
to believe
that us is
the first in line
dexX7: can anyone
tell me how google and other providers handle email rejections? i have some
trouble with a hoster which i'm using as intermediate hop
to relay my mails.. and currently every request/mail is rejected. service said
they'll fix it "in
the next 24 hours" -.-"
dignork: asciilifeform: yes, no idea where
the name came from
bounce: point was
to make visible
the rot. what
to do after
that, well... can even just eyeball
the
thing and look at crumbling acceleration rates and such
dignork: mircea_popescu: I
talked with Spondoolies-Tech CEO, he'll
try
to get
to
this channel later
tonight, if you have any specific questions I can forward
then in
the meantime
mircea_popescu: lol ok, well, if you elide nots it'll become hard
to follow :D
bounce: oh,
there's a "not" missing
there. duh.
BingoBoingo: wywialm: Basically
the
thing
to hope for is USSR style collapse rather
than Somalia style collapse
wywialm: i can imagine us collapse in
the sense of it falling apart with some central power still serving
the debt etc - not very realistic scenario, sure. I just wanted
to ask
to be sure
bounce: I don't see it. I was saying
to map it, do linear regression on it.
mircea_popescu: bounce here : "like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on
the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption,
that sort of
thing. map it out."
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Naphex: mircea_popescu: it's suposed
to be wholly
transparent, so yeah printing
the cert was included
mircea_popescu: wywialm us collapse = usg collapse. what else ? not like kansas will fall off
the map or something.
mircea_popescu: bounce i
think your methodology is broken, in
that it assumes a sort of linear scalability. broken government is not akin
to broken windows.
wywialm: bounce, mircea_popescu, do you imagine
that us collapse would come
together with general usG collapse, including official default?
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mircea_popescu: so whose was
the idea
to print
the cert ? horea vuscan's ?
Duffer1: is he
the wallet or
the ceo?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: Horea Vuscan is
the owner
bounce hasn't even started with
the study. but it looks less well
than it perhaps ought
to be.
wywialm: bounce, what is your estimate of
the current us cracks?
bounce: like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on
the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption,
that sort of
thing. map it out.
mircea_popescu: Naphex so what exactly is your function at
this btcxchange
thing ?
bounce: might be useful
to survey
the cracks and see how serious
they are
mircea_popescu: wywialm same way it was possible in
the case of
the ussr, i guess.
wywialm: how can
this scenario be possible in case of US?
bounce: IMO
there's a larger issue but
this is as good a hook as any, and
that's
that plenty
the infrastructure relies on same being present and functional.
there's a few ways
to guard against
that, and we might investigate
them all.
Apocalyptic: bounce,
there is, like
there is a right way
to land a plan without engines
mircea_popescu: no violence, massive humiliation, come back in
two decades as a major.
mircea_popescu: the russians don't agree, but i would say
the way
the soviet union collapsed is
the right way
to collapse.
bounce: what,
there's a right way
to collapse?
BingoBoingo: Basically
there are a lot of people who want
the US
to collapse
the wrong way, and
they were ready
to see it happen over cows.
mircea_popescu: iirc he worked
there, can prolly get you in
touch with whoever.
Naphex: anybody from blockchain.info / or with connections
to buy some ad space on it?
bounce: that sounds like what I'd been
thinking already:
they're looking for excuses
to dislike, instead of just admitting
they don't like
that party
mircea_popescu: pankkake kinda has
to be a dildo, cause otherwise body armor.
BingoBoingo: bounce:
To be fair
they were also angry about
the guy before
the previous guy
mircea_popescu: "Due
to limited supplies, and high demand
this item has a 10 piece maximum order quantity per customer, every 1 day." heh
bounce: funny how
those "birthers" complain about policies set by, er,
the previous guy?
BingoBoingo: Well depends on how far you are practicing out
to.
BingoBoingo: No less
than $3.50 quickly goes up from
there
Naphex: don't do much OTC
to get rated
Naphex: tbh
this might be an annoying system :]
mircea_popescu: neilol i meant Neil. you, i
think you'll have
to get into
the wot first
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. Still
the expensive part with something like
that is feeding it.
neilol: not sure of
the process but if i need it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, what i meant was
teh gun is pretty cheap considering it's a .5 bolt
BingoBoingo: With
the 4 years of service mentioned $1923/month
BingoBoingo: Well
they give is paygrade as E-3 and
the year 2010, lemme pull up
the paycheck
mircea_popescu: It'll
take plenty of military paychecks
to cover
the $5,600 price
tag
joecool: mircea_popescu: i must have misread, i
thought
trilema was just EU-registered
mircea_popescu: yeah, you can get regional marks in
the us
too, for a coupla hundred iirc.
joecool: mircea_popescu: for a US
trademark, i
think it cost ~$400 or so
mircea_popescu: granted i've not reg'd any in years, but
they were about
the same back in
the day
joecool: US
trademarks are a lot cheaper