721800+ entries in 0.514s
BingoBoingo: Chess is a great game in
that precise notation exists for every possible move
Diablo-D3: iirc
there are no good online chess
things anyhow
BingoBoingo: This is pretty much
the mode I've offered
to any players approaching me in
this channel
BingoBoingo: As white I'd play
the queen's gambit. As black responding
to E4,
the pirc,
to d4
the slav, and
to anything else a spanking.
bounce: I need a shower and
to find me a board, but I could be up after.
BingoBoingo: I'll even offer
the four possible opening lines I'd play
BingoBoingo: Eh, I've imbibed quite a bit of ETOH since
this conversation started
Diablo-D3: and Im
too distracted
to enjoy it right now anyhow
Diablo-D3: I havent played chess in long long
time
Diablo-D3: its no different
than learning how
to play chess
Diablo-D3: programming is about learning patterns and when
to use
them
Diablo-D3: and once you learn how
to program, any language works really
bounce: so you could care less. well,
time
to show some love and caring, eh.
Diablo-D3: you do not learn how
to program at a school
BingoBoingo: That isn't how schools have been capable of
thinking
though. I learned
turtle graphics at 11 on an Apple II with software written in 1995. Schools make
the worst decisions.
Diablo-D3: anything younger
than 14 should be started on lisp.
BingoBoingo: Diablo-D3: Well,
they handle it because
they don't have pubes yet.
Diablo-D3: I dont understand how people can handle a language
that successfully resists static analysis
BingoBoingo: Diablo-D3: Python is great as a modern alternative
to BASIC
BingoBoingo: In
this way PHP was at least born with a purpose. Where as Ruby was born with "lol, suck cocks"
bounce: lovely how it attracts nothing but n00bs and how even
the core devs reflect
that sad fact. a fractal of bad design, indeed.
BingoBoingo: PHP was a nobel but flawed attempt
to make HTML a scriptable server language
bounce: did
they get around
to plug
the resource leaks in
the reference interpreter?
BingoBoingo: Ruby is basically a python fork
that broke
the underlying interpreter
BingoBoingo: bounce:
The bedrock abstractions are more solid
fluffypony: python is definitely more lispy
than both
BingoBoingo: bounce: Python is probably more LISPy
than Ruby or Clojure
bounce: so if you're looking for an embedded
type project,
that's as a good an angle as anything
Diablo-D3: lisp really is
the best language ever created
bounce: relevant for
this channel is
the gpg-card
thingies. problem with
those is
that
the source isn't available,
though a spec is. an open source implementation would be nice, and perhaps cheaper
than sourcing
the closed-source
thing.
BingoBoingo: I
think asciilifeform is right about
the Lisps being
the future
though
Diablo-D3: BingoBoingo: I just needed a
ti calc because it was mandatory for math classes in high school
Diablo-D3: yeah z80 is
the best 8bit microcontroller cpu ever
BingoBoingo: Diablo-D3: My
TI-89 met it's end in my usefulness when I realized
the cheaper Mac Classic was basically
the same
thing.
bounce: it's a good example since (I'm
told, haven't investigated) various smart card
type
things have a z80-type core on board
BingoBoingo: bounce: I like
the Z80 as an example
to suppose.
bounce: you were
talking about z80, and I
thought it was interesting enough
to explore
that a bit. still have a kaypro in an attic somewhere. should probably dust if off some
time
Diablo-D3: java 8 fixed a lot of
the long standing issues java has
BingoBoingo: Diablo-D3: I actually sold my
TI-89 for money
to buy weed
Diablo-D3: I dont hate
the jvm. I dont even hate java all
that much anymore.
Diablo-D3: bounce: Im considering learning scala
though
Diablo-D3: I wipe
the keys off sometimes, but
theres shit just ground into it
Diablo-D3: it hasnt been cleaned since I got it at
the start of high school
bounce: anyway, mind sticking
to
the
topic and present some viable engineering choices
that'll work on z80? (as distinct from your personal preferences
that work plenty fine on your desktop)
Diablo-D3: its like
the guys who created it had no clue what
the fuck a language was
bounce: too bad
the z80 doesn't do
that
Diablo-D3: it
takes
the better part of a decade
to get
there.
Diablo-D3: I said "if you know how
to use it"
BingoBoingo: C is a nice language. I am not disputing
that.
Diablo-D3: if you know how
to use it, its a nice language
BingoBoingo: The point of C is
to be horrid,
to be
the last resort.
Diablo-D3: the gpg for dos
thing is obviously a 32 bit binary
fluffypony: so someone needs
to write GPG for BASIC?
Diablo-D3: (and yes, int cant be 64 bit either, some OS got
this wrong and broke shit, long is
the only one
that should be native)
Diablo-D3: even
though it is within
the C specification for
them not
to be
fluffypony: "You should be also be cautioned
that
the MSDOS stack is not deep. You should not count on more
than one or
two pushes of
the registers."
Diablo-D3: anything written in modern C simply will not work on
them without a lot of help
Diablo-D3: BingoBoingo: C is portable
to shit
that should not be running C
Diablo-D3: because, sadly, it really does work on
tons of shit
Diablo-D3: (yes,
theres a gpg build out
there somewhere for dos)
fluffypony: Diablo-D3: you can sign
transactions offline
BingoBoingo: No, updating
the software defeats an actual air gap
Diablo-D3: fluffypony: you have
to update
the software either way
Diablo-D3: you could strip
the ethernet out and use usb
to serial or w/e
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: someone needs
to fab
the silicon, and are you going
to get an electron microscope
to check
that its
to-spec?
BingoBoingo: Diablo-D3: Yeah, ethernet is
the big problem
BingoBoingo: An actual
top down version of what RPi wants
to be
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Why advertise it as
that? Posit
the
thing as a student architecture.
Diablo-D3: its unlikely
theres any major problems with it
Diablo-D3: fluffypony: something like
the rpi works
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: If BFL
taught us anything it is
that it
takes little
to make dedicated silicon for a dream architecture.
ozbot: M-Labs - Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia
ozbot: Open-source computing hardware - Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: neither. Pick beast from
the 80's and write it
to a cheap FPGA dev board
fluffypony: so
taking a step back from
that ideal, Raspberry Pi/BeagleBone Black?
Diablo-D3: I will say
though, and Ive been saying
this for awhile
Diablo-D3: because shit is only secure when everyone on
the planet has audited it and said so
fluffypony: this just sounds like it's going
to go into
the "make your own silicon, write your own OS"
territory
Diablo-D3: it can be a fuel but its not
the most efficient
Diablo-D3: [03:44:49] <BingoBoingo> Nah,
that shit's fuel. If
that is your definition of an irritant...
BingoBoingo: Onto another
topic, Diablo-D3 what would be your ideal computer for offline signing and decryption?
BingoBoingo: I mean denying
the monder human body
that shit is asking for portal vein hypertension
BingoBoingo: Nah,
that shit's fuel. If
that is your definition of an irritant...
BingoBoingo: Immune response is important, but it has
to point
the right direction