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davout: that is
true if you consider
that everything
that matters is only what you have knowledge of
mircea_popescu: because
the undistinguishable can't ever matter, by definition.
mircea_popescu: which reduces
to "someone who could, in principle, matter"
davout: what you're saying is pretty much
that derps exist in a quantum superposition of owning, and not-owning stuff, and
that
their actual ownership resolves when i actually observe, aka measure
them
mircea_popescu: bounce it merely means "someone who can be distinguished from
the others"
bounce: there's
this conflation of "person"
to mean "someone who matters (to me)", which is highly viewpoint-dependent. your basic definition appears
to be "someone who matters in
the bitcoin sphere and can be
trusted not
to fsck up (too badly)". might need a suitable word for
that.
mircea_popescu: so yes, animals
they can be. people however,
they can not be, unless recognised.
mircea_popescu: davout your ability
to distinguish derps is however central
to
their ability
to exist.
davout: i don't
think
that my ability
to distinguish derps is really related
to
their ability
to own stuff, it is not necessary for me
to be able
to know
they are able
to destroy a bitcoin for
them
to actually be able
to destroy a bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "A 43-year-old programmer who helped set in motion a class-action lawsuit against
the companies and became one of its five class representatives will not be present in
the San Jose courtroom. He was shot and killed by
the police last December."
bounce: soldiers are cannon fodder
to you, individuals
to
themselves and
their bosses. look,
they even wear name
tags.
mircea_popescu: after it becomes
transparent
to you, it already broke
that anonimity.
mircea_popescu: unless and untill
this becomes
transpared
to you it is immaterial.
davout: mircea_popescu: it is, because knowledge of different informations
translates directly
to ownership, or non-ownership of bitcoins for example
mircea_popescu: but what happens inside
the pet rock is uninteresting in
this discussion.
bounce: not
to you. inside
their own circles
their worth is measured by
their zeal.
mircea_popescu: to personalize
they need
to de-jehova-witnessize for you, before you.
mircea_popescu: davout
the fact
that
the person "deep down" "twu wuvs" you is immaterial.
bounce: yeah, no. with davout on
this one, "anonymity" is lack of a label, not necessarily lack of an underlying identity. on
the flip side, you already know what jehova's witnesses will
try and
tell you without you needing
their name, regardless of whether
they offer
their name. if
they do,
they're no longer anonymous. it doesn't affect your esteem for what
they're
trying
to
tell you.
davout: mircea_popescu: yes, but fungibility and anonymity lie in
the observer, property lies with
the
things
themselves
mircea_popescu: the opinion of derp1 is exactly equal
to
the opinion of derp2 inasmuch as we don't know anything about 'em.
davout: mircea_popescu: derps might be fungible as anonymous entities, entities we couldn't care
to name, it doesn't really impede
their ability
to each own a bitcent
mircea_popescu: this entire shit is backwards. views, which are not fungible, people pretend are in fact fungible.
then anons, which are absolutely fungible, people pretend like are not. apparently
the web is quite counterintuitive.
mircea_popescu: curious
to see how you'll argue cluster4 is not fungible with cluster3 or derpymcherp or w/e.
mircea_popescu: stupid enough
to not realise he can't have a "my" as nobody, clueless enough
to fail
to distinguish a verb from a possessive.
this is reddit.
davout: mircea_popescu: i'd say fungibility is
the absence of identity, anonymity is
the absence of name, but i'm
too
tipsy on
that delicious rosé champagne
to even imagine arguing
the point properly
davout: mircea_popescu: years of
training
davout: mircea_popescu: being anonymous doesn't mean
there is no idnentity
mircea_popescu: davout no idea how you can piss with
teh girl handling your balls.
mircea_popescu: people have a lot of difficulty groking
that if you're anonymous...
there is no property.
mircea_popescu: "my prediction is". da fguck is
this shit, "cluster4" is now making "my prediction" ?
cgcardona_: also, my 5 year old son is obsessed w/ qr codes. He askes me
to scan everyone
that we see (yes
this could backfire one day). I
think people of his generation will find QR codes quite intuitive
davout: mircea_popescu:
teh girl
davout: mircea_popescu: right hand is for
the dick, left for
the smartphone
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: besides, who's sober enough
to scan a QR code?
cgcardona_: i actually
think bitcoin is QR code's killer app
fluffypony: "No ugly smartphone unlocking, app starting, camera pointing at a fancy QR code. No, all handsfree, how it needs
to work."
mircea_popescu: here's a funny story : bar where we watered saturday night, had an advertising above
the urinal. on
that advertising, aqr code.
fluffypony: and
the money will just magically come off without us needing
to authorise it
fluffypony: and
the cashier will say "PayPal or Bitcoin, sir?"
mircea_popescu: " QR codes have been around and hyped for years, but
they were never used as much as developers and marketing people hoped." <<
truth.
fluffypony: so apparently
the way we *should* be using Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "Margo I have lived in
the
theatre as a
Trappist monk lives in his faith"
davout: mircea_popescu: he's already
tweeted stuff iirc
mircea_popescu: Members across
three generations: P.L. Chebyshev, A.A. Markov, A.M. Lyapunov, S.N. Bernshtein (ie. Bernstein), E.E. Slutskii, N.V. Smirnov, L.N. Bol'shev, V.I. Romanovskii, A.N. Kolmogorov,Yu.V. Linnik, and
the new generation: V Petrov, S.V. Nagaev, A.V. Nagaev, A. Shyrayev, etc.
mircea_popescu: I would like
to record here (so people get off my back)
that I do not belong
to
the so-called "Austrian School" of economics, in spite of a few similar positions on bailouts and bottom-up systems. I believe in mathematical statements. But if I were
to belong
to a school of
thought designated by a nationality,
the {NATIONALITY} SCHOOL of {DISCIPLINE} it would be
the Russian school of probability.
davout: fluffypony: you'd click it in doubt, and
that's
the whole point :-)
mircea_popescu: but eventually
they checked
the airline and he was
there so. disaster averte
mircea_popescu: so
they fetch her and she's completely dumbfounded... guy came, witgh his bags, checked out and left. how is she
to know he's not
to be allowed
to leave ?!
Shakespeare: he had some
trouble with
the
time zones :)
mircea_popescu: so you know, i go
there like a fucking ride of valkiries screaming all
the way from like outside, WHO DUN IT!
mircea_popescu: she calls me in a
total panic, cause well... he's gone ?! and she suspects
the idiot receptionist kicked him out maybne ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c
threw me for a fucking loop. cause afaik he was leaving
tomorrow, right ? so i had secretary call hotel front desk
to sert up lunch, cause i figured... we can do lunch
davout: mircea_popescu: naaah, we met mike_c
there
jurov: lmao my cabbie (when i got lost a bit on arrival) refused
to accept 10 euro bill
mircea_popescu: it's like... when you come out from under sea, you gotta re-aclimatize
to
the suck.
mircea_popescu: we're from france and so we like
to wait uncomfortably in airports
mircea_popescu: davout was like... hey, i know you set it up for us
to be
there in
time, but could you cancel it so we go on foot 7 1/2 hours later ?
davout: Shakespeare mircea_popescu our cab driver started
the ride by yelling "Shumacher shumacher!"
Shakespeare: ASCII gave your cabbie a bunch $20 bills
this morning. I couldn't
tell which of
them enjoyed it more
mircea_popescu: but
they won't let you
take i dunno, lotion. i nevere heard of lotion exploding
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare it's hysterical because well... wine fermented in
the bottle can well explode.
davout: drank/drunk, what is
the correct one ?
davout: Shakespeare:
that's
the only way you can get it
through
davout: mircea_popescu: imma explain it all
to her a bit later
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in
the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered
to receive ratings.
davout: mircea_popescu:
the rosé is very nice
davout: Shakespeare: gotta love
the cavity searches
Shakespeare: I did get
to hang with ASCII at
two airports
though
Shakespeare: I had
to go
thru security 3
times once I got
to US
davout: Shakespeare: was your
trip back ok ?
davout: mircea_popescu: i wish
to apologize for my rudeness in marking my
territory in
timisoara repeatedly
Shakespeare: and
then later me and someone else won for deals
Shakespeare: for
the record, davout lost at least 1.5 games
mircea_popescu: i mean, i don't actually
think
that w/e,
they're faking it. but it just fails
to compute on
the intuitive level.
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare i still have
trouble wrapping my head around
the notion.
mircea_popescu: o look who's here. quick someone call
teh bitcoin police