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Naphex: along
the lines where i was
thinking:P
fluffypony: eg. for every referred customer you get 2% of
their fees forever
fluffypony: Naphex: I've seen some REALLY good affiliate systems
that do very small lifetime rewards
Naphex: some incentive
there o.o
Naphex: well i was just
thinking, rewarding inviters with 0.0001 upon each withdrawal by an invitee
mircea_popescu: affiliate advertising is going
to be major in
this space, and currently it's way
the fuck nowhere.
mircea_popescu: someone with 10 years as an aff manager has
to make fucking bitcoin clickbank
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: one of
the directors of a small group of companies, of which OpenRigs is a part
mircea_popescu: that's actually one major
thing
to do. yo fluffypony what did you do for a living ? or cazalla ?
Naphex: while we're
talking incetives, any opinion on a good referral system for bitcoin exchange users?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless,
these are not
tasks of
the same nature as mowing
the lawn.
mircea_popescu: i can respect your desire
to build a better process for refining hahnium, or for resolving doppler aberrations in
telescopy.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve understand
tho :
this is not quite unlike solid state physics, or radioastronomy.
HeySteve: appreciate discussing it with people who understand
the WoT in depth
fluffypony: I won't pay
to use
the system when
there's a perfectly good free one I'm already on :-P
fluffypony: so
then you're chasing away legitimate users
HeySteve: well, I want
to make
the signup cost vastly more expensive
than
the cost of earning rep
through good behaviour
mircea_popescu: and so
through adding a cost you're actually skewing it
towards scammers.
HeySteve: fluffypony I have studied
that article in some depth
mircea_popescu: because
the cost is not a discouragement
to
the sybil, if it has a way
to
turn a profit
mircea_popescu: HeySteve
this counterintuitively makes your system weaker.
HeySteve: right,
to register an identity within
this system
there would be a BTC cost
HeySteve: sure, but in
the WoT
there is no cost
to create sockpuppets
fluffypony: all I need
to do is create a number of fake actors and claim
they only did good deeds
today (each fake actor supporting
the other) and I receive average yearly income *
the number of fake actors I've created
fluffypony: incentivised ratings also opens
the incentives
themselves
to Sybil attacks, no?
mircea_popescu: and so
through incentivising good behaviour i managed
to... break
the wot.
mircea_popescu: because... well... what
the fuck, everyone's doing good deeds whether
they're good men or not.
mircea_popescu: but it will also make it impossible for women
to pick mates.
mircea_popescu: now,
this obviously will make everyone do nothing but good deeds (presuming rational actors),
mircea_popescu: so i say
to
these people : each day you only do good deeds, you will receive your average yearly income. but for every bad deed you do, you get fined x% of
that.
mircea_popescu: i own more money
than
the entire village is worth, a million
times over.
mircea_popescu: let me make
this point clearer
through an example. suppose i go
to a village in somalia.
this village has 100 people and
they're all normal people,
they do good and bad
things by w/e definition of good and bad.
HeySteve: right, but my idea is
to augment
that
HeySteve: ah. well as I see it, bad behaviour leads
to negative rep which makes future
trades less likely and
the inverse is
true.
that's how I use
the
term incentives.
mircea_popescu: because
the wot is
the measure of how people respond
to incentives, it makes no sense
to change its neutrality
to add incentives for particular responses.
HeySteve: <+mircea_popescu> incentives do not belong in
the wot.
HeySteve: I have a further idea
to incentivise non-scammy behaviour
too
HeySteve: and associating costs with establishing an identity and rating people may improve
the system slightly
mircea_popescu: i know nanotube was working on a wot 2.0
that'd be distributed and not depend on him
mircea_popescu: fluffypony and in
the case of btcjam, because
they know
they're running a scam platform. it'd make no sense
to
take any steps
that make
this more obvious
than it actually is.
HeySteve: been working on
this for a while
HeySteve: sure, but putting
the identity and associated ratings into a blockchain
mircea_popescu: HeySteve i don't follow ?
the wot is integrated with any cryptocurrency as it is. i can and have rated people for say... atc deals.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, quite so. I spoke
to nanotube about integrating WoT with a cryptocurrency
fluffypony: instead of reinventing
the wheel (and doing so badly)
fluffypony: although
tbh I don't know why sites like
that and BTCJam etc. don't just integrate with
the WoT
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah
that's exactly what I said
mircea_popescu: dexX7: bci allows
to push signed
transactions but no signing <<
there's a reason for
this. you shoulodn't be providing privkeys.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve: I was a seller
there, it's unfortunate
there's no way
to migrate feedback from shuttered markets... << which is why wot.
mircea_popescu: "Bringing Cryptocurrency
To Women Worldwide, CryptoMoms.com Launches" ahaha how fucktarded can you get.
mircea_popescu: not i, not
this year. i
took some gents with whom i work up
to
the mountain for 4 days of drinking and
talking about what
the ever loving fuck we want
to do for
the next 3-7 years. << so you had brosex.
mircea_popescu: Naphex but see,
that's
the snag :
they used
to do it as a per-domain page rank
thing.
Naphex: then
they merged
together in
the current version, which will always have preferential PageRank
Naphex: that
that product split with Google Now / Google
Naphex: they have been doing
that for ages
mircea_popescu: basically it has a shortlist of websites
that it gives preferential
treatment
to.
mircea_popescu: google is racist : it will push profiles in
twitter BUT NOT facebook. it will push wikipedia articles.
mircea_popescu: ;;later
tell bitcoinpete you're #10 on a google search for "bitcoin pete". while your
twitter acct is #1.
mircea_popescu: (and even if it isn't, i'm pretty sure
that's
their rationale)
mircea_popescu: so basically, if
they actually allowed
the uplink
they'd have
to have a filtering datacenter.
bounce: depends on how
the
transit agreements work. some places actually liked generating more bandwidth "the other way", as it pushed
the balance a bit more
towards evening out
mircea_popescu: romania could, on
the basis of end user installed gateways, nuke
the rest of hte planet off
the internet
bounce: like you're ever going
to
take it out and put it somewhere else. even so,
throttling
the uplink doesn't really buy you much of anything, hardware wise
mircea_popescu: because rather
than buy
the cutter
they just don't cut it.
mircea_popescu: see, for instance,
the whole
town is full of fiber spools hanging from poles
bounce: good for
the gamer kids
though, "low ping"
Naphex: is
there no RDS in
TM?:)
bounce: it doesn't really make sense
to
throttle
the uplink on glass,
though. it's likely just
throttled gigabit.
mircea_popescu: actually upc arguably started as astral, which you know... got started by
the father of a chick i was doing back in hs
Naphex: it started here, with
TVS (The
TV network)
mircea_popescu: AND
they will layer it for you. you can get 1tbps both ways in
this country, and it won't break your bank.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: in oradea
Tesari/RDS has Fiberlink 1G/s at 59RON
mircea_popescu: a btw,
to bother everyone : local isp just unveiled its easter surprise w/e.
fluffypony: it should almost blend into supper
time, so you
top it off
towards
the evening without needing
to eat an entire other meal
mircea_popescu: some peeps' first encounter of
the proper european lunch, where you spend a few good hours with your food.
Naphex: had my own party
this weekend, chilling and doing nothing at all :)
mircea_popescu: fluffypony as far as romanians are concerned,
the 90s were spent going "da-i romaneasca ?" ie, does it suck ?