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mod6: i use the page daily, works well.
mod6: i saw in the logs that others were standing one up - immediately thought "ok, yup do this too." but before I embark on yet another thing, need to ensure that i have proper time. but i'll add it to list for sure.
mod6: i see him in my logz too
mod6: soon i'll have none left!
mod6: the important thing for me is that i'm resolved to not just sit around and wait for things to happen to me, re: 9-5 tarpit. im starting down a path of emacipation from that. might take some time, but not too much time.
asciilifeform: mod6: when you succeed in this, i'ma defo read your escape memoir.
mod6: *nod* in the early days, pre-tmsr, I had a similar thing, was much easier to stay focused/up-to-date.
mod6: but yeah, 9th circle. but now, I'm committing myself to getting rid of the salt-mine, somehow. I've got to do some thinking, and talking to peoples, etc. but I want out of that life.
asciilifeform: ( i assume -- 9th circle of salt mine hell ? )
asciilifeform: and indeed zoolag's been sitting in disk i/o wait for ~10m nao..
BingoBoingo: mod6: I suddenly hit up to 453 all within the last minute
mod6: i've got up through 451 now.
asciilifeform: for all i know -- this is the long-awaited 1st shot of the great war.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no human being seems to have *450 yet, so i can't very well try an' eat it.
asciilifeform: i dun deal w/ prbisms with any regularity any moar
BingoBoingo: I do not
mp_en_viaje: anyways, i'll be off for the night. cya all laterz
asciilifeform: i.e. that no genuine bitcoin node will eat.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-01 18:31:03 asciilifeform: at this pt, seems quite evident that someone is throwing around crafted wedge chains (i.e. mined after-the-fact , with backdated timestamp, going from older block) specifically to wedge syncing folx.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in very recent times i in fact observed prb propagating blocks that aint in fact kosher !
BingoBoingo: After a long stretch of not needing to give a day or two and seeing the whole trb-iverse visible from my chair stuck on the same block, I figure why not try to forcefeed the problem block
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ftr i've never 1nce resorted to spoon-feeding my noad
asciilifeform: girlattorney: i'm quite certain presently that you're right, and the packets from south a. go through north a. always. simply based on delay measurements to date.
girlattorney: BingoBoingo i think you aren't aware that currently there isn't an IP route from fortaleza to eu
asciilifeform: girlattorney: sometimes this reaches 'comedy' level, i.e. you're connecting from washington to new york and it goes -- evidently -- through london
asciilifeform: this may be so . and given the delay b/w e.g. piz & europistan, i'm quite certain the packets go a few undocumented 'extra' 1000 km .
girlattorney: that fiber that already exist from brazil to portugal is only used for telephone traffic (can't remember where i read this)
asciilifeform: currently we do not have precise measurement in realtime. but on most days i can get 100-500kB/s to my box there (from usa)
girlattorney: if i can ask, what is the oversell rate of a pizarro grade isp?
asciilifeform: girlattorney: it is difficult to get anything for so little. in some parts of europistan, e.g. romania, residential (claimed) GB fiber goes for ~10/mo, but industrial rack slot with guaranteed mains current and bandwidth still closer, last i knew, to that 100 figure
girlattorney: but i'll get in touch to have an idea of prices and availability
girlattorney: i must disclose that at the current value of BTC i'm haven't got so much to justify multiple nodes in expensive colos
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 13:40:12 girlattorney: i was trying to moving it on a better colo and left everything off for a while
girlattorney: i've read that with ripe ncc you have your loa with your own ip space, if you "fucks up" 3 times announcing blocks, the peers connected to you have to disconnect
girlattorney: from what i've understood iana is the big boy that decided everything in the beginning, then created some other orgs to give the idea that every continent got it's own independent association
girlattorney: i'm in europe, so in my case the middleman should be ripe ncc
girlattorney: and if i have understood correctly in BGP you do advertise your own routes and eventually someone go to your home and say "you cannot advertise these routes"
asciilifeform: the more properly working trb nodes there are -- the less payoff to anyone for monkeying with their connectivity. at present in fact i do not know how many there are. not erryone bothers to advertise .
asciilifeform: girlattorney: observe that there is no attempt at authenticating peers in the existing trb. you could easily be connecting to washington's node when thinking yer connecting to e.g. mp_en_viaje's. at one time i published an experimental patch where can route to people you personally know via ssh pipes, but currently not in use anywhere afaik.
girlattorney: in particular i'm referring about BGP hijacking and the general fact that IANA is a third party of a government, that a day could decide to limit the user freedom
asciilifeform: girlattorney: as you have found now to own satisfaction, w/out having to take asciilifeform's word for it -- the actual # of ~working~ (i.e. stores and serves the entire chain) public nodes on the net, is very very small.
girlattorney: i still have the iotop stats, and will make a post somewhere soon with them
asciilifeform: girlattorney: i have 1 going on a residential pipe since '15, but it is a rather costly pipe
girlattorney: i also had a nice graph made with darkstat about the peers that helped most on syncing from 0
girlattorney: i was trying to moving it on a better colo and left everything off for a while
girlattorney: I have read the log for a couple of weeks then now logged in to make other questions
asciilifeform: ^ i in fact have not had to spoon-feed mine yet. but nao there is from where ! if needs.
diana_coman: for the dump I did first a sed for botname and then restore into db
diana_coman: I checked at http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html and !o didn't seem taken but it's not among the "next in line" either
mp_en_viaje: i can voice it but when im back
diana_coman: I'm not sure it should talk in here
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i think it needs a green light from mp_en_viaje
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 06:59:30 mp_en_viaje: trying to maybe gwt out of it, hence the work to spec "blog" in the abstract ; but mp-wp stack works for trilema TODAY ; i ain't taking a break from publishing untul "better world". god knows the week long #trilema outage was long enough.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aa ok, wasn't hanbot. i was thinking i was merely thick.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 09:57:25 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931848 << this character mentioned 4 or 5 times recently... but does it have a name ? ( i admit, when 1st saw picture, assumed it was a young photo-shy hanbot )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931860 << weird shit.... apparently i was looking at a stale page. sorry about that.
mp_en_viaje: oh yeah, i recall
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932251 << yes ; but a) that's not chinese paper and b) i dunno what naval warfare this is from, but the "fired and nothing happened" seems to confirm my comment.
mp_en_viaje: i honestly dun see the prioblem with in-chan delivery.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma cycle the dumper manually . go and load the 'raw dump link' in 30s or so. (and if anyone speaks between now and when you import it, can fill the hole with the raw export knob and eater.py )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: can I get a raw dump of the logs to feed the bot or how best to sync?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: re vtree I considered it but atm the source is your blog so there it is; when I get around to wrap it up I'll sign + publish etc
asciilifeform: btw i have found that the banners spill the screen on some exotic browsers ( crapple's, in particular ) but did not bother yet to try and fix somehow
diana_coman: asciilifeform: indeed it does! and yes, I'll have to look into something for younghands probably but pizarro will stay there too
asciilifeform: re banners , i expected that folx will want to put own , rather than use mine. ( plus there's no practical way to put any such thing in a v genesis ) so i omitted'em
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/static/piz.jpg Here's one. I'll try to dig for where the rest of the mod6 banners are. Searching the #pizarro logs returned 404'd links
diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo can I get that pizarro banner to hang in there?
diana_coman: ha, at least I got the bot running and joining the chan (ossasepia-test), yeee
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i tested the bot by setting chan to e.g. #asciilifeform-test . can do similar, then you can use whatever unregged nick etc (dun fughet to set pw to empty then)
diana_coman: and ofc I need to see if the *bot* also works, lolz
diana_coman: i.e. so far I could at least actually run the reader and it's waiting; ran the eater on my own ossasepia deeded logs and it ate
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932162 << there of course is no such thing as 'unsign'. next best thing is 'antipatch', i.e. where you fix the errata. and imho all signatures oughta include human-readable annotation
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 22:51:04 lobbes: For clarity, on testbed I got the eater.py and the reader.py working fine. Was able to view loglines and search with no issue (on localhost only, didn't test port forwarding). Did *not* test the bot.py, however. For reference, my version info: Flask 0.12.2; psycopg2 2.7.4; Python 2.7.15
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 04:09:03 spyked: and the only *quick* solution that I can think of here is signing the binturd that I've been using for the last few years; if anyone has a better idea, pl0x to chime in
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932158 << this is more or less what was done with orig. gnat. but eventually will have to be solved properly (i.e. 'here's an asm thing for $machine, with which in turn can build x...')
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking something like http://trilema.com/2016/the-tatu-party-bus-and-other-wasps/ but clean
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932170 << I mean cuntoo exactly. testbed is the exact iron in this post
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932058 << apparently nobody wants argentiens for any purpose. i can imagine why not.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 21:22:37 asciilifeform: atm i have a distinct unpleasant feeling that the ratchet presently does not ratchet very well.
mp_en_viaje: i was here many times before (though not in the past... well, 20 or so yeaes) but i never knew this is what i wanted to make it complete!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 21:08:33 asciilifeform: well if you feel like sweating out 3 kilometres of malloc() and realloc()'s and errno()'s -- who am i to say
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932041 << i'm sure there's a library/tool for this/that.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 21:02:32 diana_coman: asciilifeform: so then what, I'm still better off writing the bot in C or what?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 20:59:22 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i vaguely suspect that this is the thing that discouraged past folx who made loggers, from genesising. 'dafuq is the point, likely no one can even replicate this'
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932021 << she has a point i nthat "version numbers" are utterly meaningless (which is why one's 2 something, the other 0 sometiing, yet used in same pile). all that matters is vintage, like in wines, DOC for code.
mp_en_viaje: trying to maybe gwt out of it, hence the work to spec "blog" in the abstract ; but mp-wp stack works for trilema TODAY ; i ain't taking a break from publishing untul "better world". god knows the week long #trilema outage was long enough.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:38:11 asciilifeform: ( mp is fond of old php , but it suffers from 100% of same headaches , and in fact even slower , esp. if the job is even slightly moar complicated than wp ; he arrived at it same way i did at 'flask' -- picked up decade ago and 'it worx, i'ma pour cement on this' )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:34:40 asciilifeform: saddest thing is, i'm not even certain it's more retarded than e.g. hunchentoot
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 13:10:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm working on organizing a break down of the situation. It's a very map-heavy exercise
spyked: diana_coman, yeah, well I suppose that's another reason why the manifest mechanism is useful: if I signed a patch P at t1, and later I found out that it does something stupid or subtly malicious or whatever; then at t2 I can sign the "inverse" to P and give context to that signature in the manifest (whoever tries to press that has to know why particularly I made some change)
diana_coman: re logger atm I am undecided as my options so far seem to be: 1. do another round of madness with flask until it works on this old (but stable at least) centos 2. replicate environment aka burn down centos and have fun installing remotely on the machine cuntoo 3. simply run irssi (as I'm otherwise running this code anyway as my client) with logging to db into an mp-wp database and be done with it (possibly each line a one comment - will end
spyked: perhaps obvious) fact that the signature says something about the signatory *at the time* when he/she has signed, not necessarily at the time that I'm using the object in question.
spyked: tuff, which I suspect would make the result no different than either flask or hunchentoot
spyked: and the only *quick* solution that I can think of here is signing the binturd that I've been using for the last few years; if anyone has a better idea, pl0x to chime in
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 18:34:40 asciilifeform: saddest thing is, i'm not even certain it's more retarded than e.g. hunchentoot
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931973 <-- most likely same level. ftr, I'ma attempt to apply mircea_popescu's pill of stealing everything related, up to and including sbcl, which hopefully should make it easier to reproduce items written on top of it.
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932106 << I agree this is probably the proper behavior. But it ain't changing anytime soon. The heathen coad lobbesbot runs on [i.e. it doesn't sit on the logbot tree like auctionbot] is slated to be discontinued just as soon as I get some more important things complete. Not sinking any more time trying to staple that dead horse
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931971 << not yet; I have a vintage php search for the classic #e logs, but that is all atm
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 20:54:34 asciilifeform: i recall lobbes was using some kinda system for sucking down py libs that worked through the deps chain, but can't recall what was
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932030 << on the testbed I got both flask and psycopg2 via portage