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ThickAsThieves: in fact, don't people do
things at
times strictly for
the points?
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ThickAsThieves: it's not a
typical economy, cuz it has allocation idiosyncracies, but i'm not sure if
that disqualifies it
benkay: are collusive rings in
these content farms necessarily a bad
thing?
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ThickAsThieves: my rating points are held by every user
that hasnt given
them
to me yet
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves but any ounce of gold stays an ounce of gold permanently. where do your rating points go when
they go ?
benkay: mircea_popescu: i assume
the normal 'upvoting rings' developed and existed?
jurov: i'd extend a punishment gazette with 3. shared protocol and
then maybe public forum can be simplified away
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> so no,
that's what it is : it isn't a wot because it can't be /// well i can accumulate points no? and at any given
time, a maximum amount can be had, and every
time a user joins anew,
the system inflates
to accommodate
mircea_popescu: not so hard
to distinguish machines from humans if your machine has a stable with many humans
mircea_popescu: prop sauce, but basically it leveraged individual actions
to evaluate everyone else's.
benkay: wow well extravagant claims etc. how'd you do
that?
mircea_popescu: benkay for years before and some
time during bitcoin i had a romanian language digg style
thing.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> <ThickAsThieves> i have a feeling
though,
this
theory will end up distilling into one
that already exists << kinda cxurious about
this myself. /// one
thing it reminds me of is your basic escrow deal
mircea_popescu: so no,
that's what it is : it isn't a wot because it can't be
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves
this is what someone was proposing at conference, when i introduced fain
ThickAsThieves: every user has 40 points
they can work with, unto any other user
mircea_popescu: neither are fiat bills (not in
the sense of
the physical bill, but in
the sense of it being authorised, it'll get reprinted, and
trhe bill is
that
trademark
that spawns
the authirisation)
ThickAsThieves: what might be
the medium of exchange in
the WoT? Rating points, right?
jurov: yes
that's
the protocol
that must be agreed upon
mircea_popescu: <jurov> hmmm but it does not allow negative ratings << 0
to 20, -10
to 10, no diff.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> i have a feeling
though,
this
theory will end up distilling into one
that already exists << kinda cxurious about
this myself.
ThickAsThieves: if
the WoT is decentralized, and has verification methods, signing, identities, etc, and bitcoin also does,
they start
to converge in
their features
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> bitcoins being
the medium, blockchain
the gazette, mining
the forum? << it's a very limited economy at
that, but i guess so.
jurov: no
that was my objection
to using current bitcoin blockchain
ThickAsThieves: jurov
that's also not a requirement of
the
theory as stated
jurov: okay, my another objection is
that rating is not done at
the same
time as
transaction
chetty: if
the judgement is individual isnt
the choice of information source also individual?
ThickAsThieves: as in
the gazette now wants
to be decentalized, like bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: it's interesting
to me
to see how much
the 3 separate elements would/could function as economies
themselves, and how
their
traits might converge
ThickAsThieves: and we do have a source for extra-info,
the bitcoin software
ThickAsThieves: [16:26] <+jurov> we need extra-blockchain information
to assess
them /// do we? each address may function as a user/reputation
ThickAsThieves: and
then
those would
then be interpreted separately by any individual user
ThickAsThieves: "punishment" in its
terms are merely individually given
ThickAsThieves: first,
the
theory doesnt require consensus judgment and punishment (head on pike)
ThickAsThieves: (note i'm
taking
this position for sake of
the debate, i have no conclusion)
jurov: you need karpeles' head on
the pike plus public record what he did
jurov: you won't get useful info whether
to
trust gox from only some "mtgox"
tag
jurov: we need extra-blockchain information
to assess
them
jurov: even if
they managed
to mark
them in
the blockchain
jurov: i'd
think about real world example like pirate's coins or gox coins
jurov: if
the
theory
that hawking radiation carries information about whatever fell in
jurov: youre stretching it
too extreme...
then
the blackhole is punishment gazette
too
ThickAsThieves: i've got
this hammer now, and
trying
to sort out what it can smash and what it can build
ThickAsThieves: i
think whether it applies might lead
to other interesting
things
ThickAsThieves: i'm merely
trying
to see whether Bitcoin would qualify as another echo
to apply it
to, not whether it fits a perfect example
jurov: how can you cause orhpaned block or unconfirmed
tx on purpose whne someone scams you?
ThickAsThieves: could you say
that an orhpaned block or unconfirmed
tx is a punishment?
jurov: unless everyone agrees on special protocol for
the O_RETURN
text
jurov: but it reserve
the right
to decide. even
tiberiusiv had some coinbr volume
chetty: ThickAsThieves, yup, nothing new under
the sun. But
this version has less
trash attached
bounce: jurov's
trade for ratings programme, now with volume discounts
ThickAsThieves: i have a feeling
though,
this
theory will end up distilling into one
that already exists
ThickAsThieves: if
the
theory can be applied
to
the Sun and elements, surely applying it
to
the Bitcoin system isn't absurd
jurov: bounce you saw
they just openly snatched vkontakte?
bounce: haven't really paid attention
to exactly what putin said in response
to snowden, but
them russkies don't appear
to engage in dragnet-and-store
type surveillance.
they know very well who
they're after and
they're good at it, if not very subtle.
jurov: i understood
the gazette as
transaction history *with human sematics*
TomServo: I
thought he suggested
the WoT was
the gazette, and
this chan
the forum
jurov: how is blockchain
the gazette?
ThickAsThieves: bitcoins being
the medium, blockchain
the gazette, mining
the forum?
davout: ThickAsThieves: yea,
teach your gf GPG, end up in an argument about how she only got rated 3
bounce: lucky
this isn't -otc
then eh
only: davout, dexX7 was already voiced, but
thanks
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chetty: thanks MP, yeah bummer I miss all
the fun
only: unless
there is a free alternative
only: you pay
that someone for
the privilege of using
the app he coded
bounce: then again, if it's p2p, and now you get
to pay someone else for
the privilege of hosting
the service yourself, er, why'd you use
the app at all?
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only: "bounce:
there's also
the revenue model. who'll benefit?
thence, who'll build
the
thing?" - can't one hard code an escrow commission into a p2p app?
dexX7: the lol
tribunal is so many dimensions less complex
than "real" cases so i'm not sure, if it's possible
to draw conclusions based on
that
mircea_popescu: dexX7 i
think it'd look a lot more like bitcoin-assets.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:
that article really
tears
the coin apart...gets a little weird in places, but makes REALLY good points
mircea_popescu: because YES loltribunals do work, not just on league of legends, but here
too.
dexX7: what would you make different next
time?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah, only one case. i suspect now i built it
the wrong way,