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artifexd: Maybe read
them a few
times....
artifexd: Today is not a day
to skimp on reading
the logs.
mircea_popescu: hehe we don't even have enough history yet
to really evaluate risk
BingoBoingo: It's probably for
the best
that
this extra capital went
to
the lower risk ventures.
mircea_popescu: this is a little over ideal weight imo, will
trim it over
time as other venues become able
to absorb moar capital
mircea_popescu: so
there we go. 213.15567101 btc added
to f.mpif in exchange for 1mn extra shares, invested 100 into panacea and 113.15567101 into jd.
bounce: time for me
to catch some zees
though
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the message was sent
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the message must (1 more message)
bitcoinpete: that's other people laughing, how do
they count?
bounce: what was
that bit about laughing
tracks again?
decimation: The best version of
that book is
the
tone-poem by Richard Strauss
bitcoinpete: bounce: nietzsche. scripture is
the logs and
the pentuach lol
decimation: no, he's quoting
that nutcase Nietzsche
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: sterling's best hope is
that
the other owners got his back, which , maybe
bitcoinpete: "Many sick people have always been among
the poetizers and God-cravers; furiously
they hate
the lover of knowledge and
that youngest among
the virtues, which is called "honesty."
They always look backward
toward dark ages;
then, indeed, delusion and faith were another matter:
the rage of reason was godlikeness, and doubt was sin." <<mas zara
decimation: I doubt he has
the actual power
to do s
BingoBoingo: I kind of actually hope
the Sterling dude exercises ownership by abolishing
the Clippers.
decimation: Well,
the point is, maim (or kill one), educate one
thousand
bitcoinpete: Where
there is still a people,
there
the state is not understood, but hated as
the evil eye, and as sin against laws and customs.
bitcoinpete: Destroyers, are
they who lay snares for many, and call it
the state:
they hang a sword and a hundred cravings over
them.
bitcoinpete: It is a lie! Creators were
they who created peoples, and hung a faith and a love over
them:
thus
they served life.
bitcoinpete: A state, is called
the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and
this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I,
the state, am
the people."
bounce calls for a law
to ban reddit, for
the arts!
mircea_popescu: some guy who simply blindly and slavishly followed da vinci's orders has overall better chances
to make his own masterpieces in 30 years
than some kid sitting on his ass on reddit all day.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it depends
to a huge degree whose orders
tho.
decimation: Of course, during republican
times, if
the army seriously fucked up
they would have ...
the decimation
bounce: have you read heinlein's starship
troopers, btw?
bounce: uhm. I
think I see where you're coming from but
the essence/substance
thing doesn't speak
to me. maybe I'm
tired.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu soldiers only follow orders...isn't a requisite for higher learning self
thought?
mircea_popescu: it;'s not enough
they aren';t fucking soldiers anymore. for
their sins,
they also cant have generals now.
mircea_popescu: but it also makes it impossible for
them
to be helped.
bounce: guys at MIT probably wouldn't make
that many misteaks.
they have a bit of an ethos of being bloody smart and figuring
things out.
mircea_popescu: so
there we have it :
the cleaving between substance and essence makes it impossible for people
to live,
mircea_popescu: and get out
the cane and start caning
them liberally per mistake.
mircea_popescu: suppose i walk into a 3rd year computer science class at mit, and proceed
to make
the kids do one arithmetic problem, and
then once
they fuck it up make
them do one hundred, by hand,
bounce: hard
to
tell. would depend a lot on how it's sold
to
the
troops. I'll grant doing it without selling won't buy you anything except perhaps
the
troops' stuff
to carry
too.
mircea_popescu: would he likely be loved ? or on
the contrary, despised as a
total fucking moron of aggregated pointless idiocy ?
mircea_popescu: because you see... suppose someone inssited
they do everything old style.
mircea_popescu: by now,
the soldiers are sort-of carrying 30ish lbs of crap, and it's more like "you gotta be a suycker
to carry all
that".
mircea_popescu: now, fast forward
to caracalla. one of
the least bearable emperors in history.
bounce: though he apparently also had quite a bit of
tent with
tiles(!) for flooring with him on campaign, but anyway
mircea_popescu: see ? but
the greatest general
the romans ever had, arguably, was loved for
this very important fucking point,
to
the soldiers of
the
time :
mircea_popescu: he was popular with
the
troops because he carried his fucking gear.
bounce: plenty fighting, plenty loot.
that sort of go-getter
tends
to be popular with
the
troops.
bounce: by virtue of people not up
to
the
task getting weeded out right quick
mircea_popescu: this was military life, at
the
time, and
them folks were... pretty healthy.
mircea_popescu: which
they carried, on foot, for about 30 miles a day, for weeks on end.
mircea_popescu: meh. read some classical source sometime, well worth
the effort. anyway.
bounce: read
the wikipedia page intro. got given a job
to do, gave back
the authority
that came with it once job done.
mircea_popescu: cca 300 bc,
the roman military consisted of citizens.
they went on campaign as
the field work was done, raped and pillaged,
then lay down
their arms and did
the fields.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: ok so everything is pernicious against
the poor,
the current system just makes is shitty for everyone else and
the planet
too, because poor
think
they can do shit
mircea_popescu: ok, let me work
the latin military example, i
think it's
the best way in.
bounce: uhm. connect
that one for me?
mircea_popescu: i;m arguing against
trying
to implement attempts at eating-and-keeping cake.
bounce: what, you're arguing against rule by
the not-poor?
mircea_popescu: but essentially... it is pernicious
to everyone. and
this has so far gone un noticed.
mircea_popescu: substantially, it's pernicious
to
the poor. and
this is obvious.
mircea_popescu: why are
the poor masters of
their own life ? what nonsense is
this!
mircea_popescu: bounce but
the problem is
the "they" in
there. why should
they
turn off
the
telly or not
turn off
the
telly ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete it happened before. it's exactly how rome looked, 100
to 500ish ad. legionaires
too lazy
to wear...
the helmet.
the cuirass was long before abandoned, and even beforer
that
the shield.
bounce: reduced ad absurdum,
turn off
the
telly frees you up
to get rich. yet
they don't
turn off
the
telly for have
to be up
to date on
the soap/game/whatever for
the small
talk
tomorrow.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu i see what you mean. perhaps
the welfare deal could've only happened in
the new world on
the back of a sizeable military victory? never before, never again
bounce: breaking out of
that was
thus breaking with his prior identity, even his family (didn't help he was queer as a queen, but anyhow) and so on.
bounce: well,
there's
this book by a working-poor-to-riches guy
that did it by working really hard and
taking every opportunity (like calling
the book "how you
too can become a millionaire" when he's just explaining what opportunities came his way and how he used
them, not really a manual but it's a bestselling
title) who also notes it's often
the poor
that keep
themselves and each other poor
to, well, fit in with
the rest. part of
their identity.
mircea_popescu: the essence/substance distinction is not a matter subjective. what
they
think and represent has little import.
bitcoinpete: it's not clear
to me
that
the essence of consumerism is anything less
than substance for most
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete
this was
the
theory, cca 1950
to 1980s. it meanwhile failed.
bitcoinpete: the order of a megacorp
to buy a new car, new watch, granite countertops leads
to busywork downstream
mircea_popescu: and busy != entertained, because
the later is self-managed,
the former is not. imposing upon
the poor is
the essence of busywork, not just
that
they're occupied, but
that
they're occupied with other's orders.
bitcoinpete: and it's set up so both achieve
the same nothingness 4 years later
mircea_popescu: similar
to
the kid
that goes
to college
to learn vs
the kid
that goes
to college
to get
the diploma.
mircea_popescu: bounce no no, what i mean is quite
this :
the
trannies in florida get
the silicone
to look a certain way.
the african
tribesmen get
the cut
to be a certain way.
there's a meta level of distinction.
bounce: busy or entertained, either will do if it keeps'em from mobbing and overthrowing
the ruling elite
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete huge diff between busy and entertained
tho.
bounce: o_O? inasmuch all of life is educational, if you believe wossname esotherics. I'd rather say it's part of being part of
the group. we're social, group-minded animals.
bitcoinpete: it still appears as
though
the present system exists
to keep
the poor busy
mircea_popescu: generally
they want
to be cut for similar reasons
to women wanting
to be my slaves, it's an educational experience.
mircea_popescu: well yeah, which is what confounds
the example
that's prolly very clear cut
to you.
bounce: why? why do
tribe members in darkest africa /want/
to get mutilated? c'mon, you're
the one with
the degree in anthropology, wasn't it?
mircea_popescu: for as long as
the british empire endured,
the
thinking was
that
the poor have
to be kept busy
mircea_popescu: i mean
this welfare nonsense is a) very recent and b) never seems
to have been critically considered.
bounce: or have disposable income
to spend
mircea_popescu: so perhaps
the problem is
that so many poor idiots are also idle.