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nubbins`: mircea_popescu: not me, as it turns out :D
asciilifeform: getting paid to learn? cool << visit a u.s. uni, and see what kind of 'learning' you will do, if you were to take up this work.
Namworld: Like most of the stuff in stores is like what, ultimately owned by 2-3 large conglomerates?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` whio the fuck can even pay attention to 12 things in a year
Namworld: Eh, when it comes to food brands, it's all convoluted with sub-companies and multiple trademarks.
bounce: there's the pay people to do homework racket. I'd be interested in selling such services (getting paid to learn? cool) except that it'd enable idiots to get diplomas.
nubbins`: genius finds himself taking bar exams for crappy students, ends up working sans degree at a prestigious law firm
Namworld: Oh, Sobeys bought the group that held the IGA franchise in 1998. Explain why they use same brand now.
nubbins`: FWIW this is loosely the plot of the tv show "suits"
asciilifeform: long ago. before the 'edukation' racket.
benkay: didn't several us presidents do that asciilifeform ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform, benkay: gotta pay the piper!
asciilifeform: benkay: after a few people did this, and passed, they tightened the screws
nubbins`: good to know i'll be passing the guy in the street in a couple years
nubbins`: ^ this murder happened about 50 metres from my house
princessnell: egalitarians require we take their religion classes ("multicultural" courses) to graduate with any degree in most us universities
benkay: i hear tell of a mythical time where one could attempt the US bar without having a law degree.
nubbins`: i had to pass that many in my first year ;(
mircea_popescu: you wanted a degree, you had to pass all of a dozen or so courses.
mircea_popescu: i went to school in a time before credits.
asciilifeform: given that most u.s. uni courses are priced per credit, few complain.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: three credits per course was the norm << same. but with some comical undershoot. e.g. 'operating systems' took about 40h/week of actual work for most of the kids, but earned... 4 credit.
nubbins`: and you need X credits to get Y degree
nubbins`: when i went, three credits per course was the norm
asciilifeform: (keeping them out via any means other than price is thoroughly forbidden by various laws, decades old at this point)
asciilifeform: to understand how this works, visit any u.s. location where the folks subsisting on gov. 'welfare' and petty crime can afford to live.
asciilifeform: the reason why no experiment whatsoever with cheap housing en-masse is possible in usa, is that any locale with such becomes 'infested' overnight ☟︎
nubbins`: rent/mortgage is 30% higher than south of 60, as well
benkay: at least you don't have to take a class to do an internship, nubbins`
nubbins`: home of the $50 watermelon and the $28 head of cabbage
benkay: welcome to the us, where you can't even work without the permission of the bureaucracy
benkay: "i'm doing an internship this summer, and apparently i need to take an ethics course before i'm eligible for credits from the internship"
asciilifeform: one other thing about housing in usa - that is rarely spoken of in the open literature - is that the americans switched to housing price as a means of putting the '60-70s race wars on hold ☟︎
asciilifeform: as mp pointed out some time last week, dynamiting the permafrost to lay foundations is costly, etc.
nubbins`: $1000 house? nice try
asciilifeform: but for some reason alaska climate puts them off.
nubbins`: not sure about the usa, but if a canadian takes a job "up north", they get a government subsidy called the "northern allowance" to offset the increased price of goods
asciilifeform: i suspect that many people in usa would happily eat $50 watermelons in a $1000 house.
nubbins`: cost of goods in alaska, too
mircea_popescu: very expensive. have to ferry all the shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't that ohio guy quoting in the 20k range ?
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: "but maybe they put the permit parking sign in the wrong location"
nubbins`: for parking too close to the stop sign.
nubbins`: ^ i got a $50 parking ticket today
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: for so long as the racket of letting an average salaried schmuck borrow $MAXINT to repay for the rest of his life - the price floor will remain.
asciilifeform: there is definitely a palpable 'price floor', that remains solid, at least outside of war zones (e.g. detroit)
mircea_popescu: just, some here and there going the way of the rot
mircea_popescu: not really. most prices are just depressing to all hell.
asciilifeform: rather than let price fall
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the americans found a more barbaric and elegant solution to propping up housing costs - foreclose en masse and let the buildings rot, harvested by copper thieves, etc.
mircea_popescu: labour is a dollar an hour, you don't need much more than a few hundred man-hours anyway. renting the machinery and getting some concrete/sand/brick isn't the end of the world.
mircea_popescu: bounce red tape, mostly.
bounce: so where does the cost come from, labour?
mircea_popescu: "@kristathomas Don't Be Right And Don't Ask Why: Essential Ingredients For Building A Team" << lol. just as long as your "team"'s not supposed to be apple.
mircea_popescu: like the nipple pierced girls' fucking, being the product.
mircea_popescu: that's the product.
mircea_popescu: so the product is "getting photovoltaics to be common so they may be deemed standard so they may become mandatory so the developers can sell and the finance economy can work etc"
bounce: 5k what? dollars? that's a wooden shed, materials only, or what?
mircea_popescu: so, they're trying.
mircea_popescu: then the economy would be stable.
mircea_popescu: if they could make it so building a house cost 100k,
mircea_popescu: this is why the market is collapsing all the damned time
mircea_popescu: the actual cost to builkd a house now is ~5k.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, more like, the more expensive housing is the product.
mircea_popescu: benkay you seen the derpage ensuing from 30 btc mpex reg fee ?
asciilifeform: photovoltaics are not the product << the cocktail of self-righteous envirowhinerism and successful penny pinching (while 'pound-foolish') is the product.
mircea_popescu: if nipple piercings ensured the women carrying them will be used as fucktoys, giving away free cool nipple piercings would not be giving away any product either
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the photovoltaics are not the product.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100 m^2 of photovoltaics is also a 'luxury product', but it marketed in just that same way.
asciilifeform: (note that the piece correctly describes the fate of apple corp. not that this deserves prize of any kind, it was pretty obvious)
mircea_popescu: "@SunSentinel · 1h Man drives Tesla from New York to Miami at no cost" who the fuck came up with this idiocy. the tesla is a luxury product. the people who buy luxury products are being sold on "no cost" housewife routines ?
asciilifeform: yeah after i noticed what attracts derpmeisters, i moved on to other, more interesting subjects
mircea_popescu: nobody cares what many people think.
mircea_popescu: you gotta learn to ignore the reactions to the major hits and focus on discussing the others.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that apple turd was an epic derpamatic, incidentally. ~500k views to date.
asciilifeform: the chinese plastic turds fail, the machines which survive years in a rucksack without serious mechanical problem, generally pass
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: it was a 'litmus test', rather than absolute measure of anything
pankkake: so there's various degrees of holding it wrong
mircea_popescu: if you fuck on top of it it will be fine tho
asciilifeform: if you drive a truck over it, it will also bend.
pankkake: if you hold a macbook with only one hand too much, they'll eventually bend
asciilifeform: pankkake: that looks like the familiar Li battery swell.
TheNewDeal: if you grabbed a computer case by two opposite corners and flex gently, does it make a noise?
asciilifeform: (this - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=316 - less-interesting - post, was an answer to the derpage generated by the above.)
mircea_popescu: I should also note that no one else makes a laptop whose metallic chassis enables it to pass the “Creak Test” – hold a device by two opposite corners and flex gently. Do you hear a noise of any kind? If so, you are holding a mechanically-unsound piece of garbage.
mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132 and nao this expolains a lot
mircea_popescu: Imagine that every car maker save for Toyota insisted on using the infamous East German Trabant as a standard of quality – yet blindly imitated random elements of Toyota’s visual design. How long would it take for the whiners to appear on the scene and start making noises about monopolistic tyranny?
hanbot: asciilifeform: i actually thought it was 'cryptographer / radioman / funker.' << s'not as cool as all that, but who can resist the allure of shiny golden insignia
mircea_popescu: i did use saltyspitoon once without trouble.
mircea_popescu: not heard of them.
peterL: has anybody had experience with escrow.ms on bitcointalk forum for doing escrow? are they reputable?
pankkake: one day, I'll up on the first time
asciilifeform: or in Ro. the linguists also come from the ducks, who are loaded off the trucks ?
mircea_popescu: and re funker : did i ever link you to my phreakin' da intercom article ? http://trilema.com/2009/de-interfonibus/
ozbot: Cryptic crossword - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
bounce: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptic_crossword <-- probably this one
bounce: probably "crossword" then, though that'd depend on the type of clue given