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davout: taxman
takes whatever is owed
to
them, other creditors
take
the rest
davout: to me it works in
the following way
mircea_popescu: and - importantly -
that
they intend
to prosecute
the matter.
mircea_popescu: this is a civil suit.
the judge receives an objection from
the state's
tax attorney, stating
that
they consider
they're owed five eurocents in fines.
mircea_popescu: at
this point general manager or w/e party
the executive power is vested in is legally required
to file for bankruptcy or supervised reorganisation/reconstitution/we
mircea_popescu: suppose
there's company x. it owes 110 euros and has assets of 100 euros. right ?
mircea_popescu: there's no strict limit on how long
they may
take, so it can be 25 years.
davout: ya, guess you mean it becomes personal liability at
that point
mircea_popescu: civil suit (ie,
the bankruptcy) is suspended during penal proceedings
mircea_popescu: davout well, you file for chapter 11 or w/e equivalent,
the da intervenes and objects
davout: mircea_popescu: never heard about
that,
the
taxman is a privileged creditor for sure, but how would
that work?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so are you concerned
that by going
to amsterdam you may end up on
teh interpol pedo watch list ?
mircea_popescu: davout im not even sure how it works
there, but if memory serves you can't even bankruptcy if you've been fined
Apocalyptic: <davout> mircea_popescu: retroactive
tax law changes are something
that has happened in france as well AFAIK // oh yeah it did
davout: at least, if
that ever happens and we get fined into nothingness,
the customer funds are safe because
they don't sit on our corp. accts
mircea_popescu: yes yes i get
that,
there isn't a
third reich because you live in
the poznan forest, rather
than on
the warta field
davout: our defense here is simply "we never
touch
the money", we're simply mandated
to
trigger
the move between accounts :D
mircea_popescu: this, of course, in stark contrast with
the 100% non illegal certs better people are getting.
davout: mircea_popescu: retroactive
tax law changes are something
that has happened in france as well AFAIK
mircea_popescu: such stuff has been seen in romania, poland,
the czech republic and if memory serves
the uk
davout: mircea_popescu: but one
thing
to keep in mind is
that contrary
to all
the other exchanges, we never actually
touch
the fiat being moved aroud, me merely
trigger a
transfer between accounts
that do not belong
to us legally
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't count on
them not doing something such as changing
the
tax code mid exercise and
then insisting you comply.
mircea_popescu: especially seeing how france works with regards
to
tax and its budget,
davout: mircea_popescu: didn't really
think about it
this way, if
the corp. selling coins on BC gets audited
they'd be
the one getting in
trouble, i hear your point
though
mircea_popescu: because, logically,
they will wish
to be paid, and will lean on whatever is available.
mircea_popescu: davout i mean as a corporation selling
to natural persons, you may or may not end up in hot water with whatever local
tax authority if you don't give
them a vat.
davout: you mean,
the second part of
the statement, you're not sure about, right?
mircea_popescu: they have
to also act
the
tax man, and collect and pay ~for you~
the vat ~you owe~ for
the government's convenience.
mircea_popescu: which is why when you buy a pencil in a shop,
the vat shows up on your bill. even if you should have paid it,
the shop is not legally allowed
to just sell you
the pencil
mircea_popescu: davout: it's a non issue for non-corporate customers, but it might
technically be one for corporate ones << im not so sure about
that. afaik, most jurisdictions require
the provider
to collect vat for
the customer.
mircea_popescu: hello guys. i was
told i can find someone on
this internet
that can rake my yard
davout: i would only be half-surprised if
the actual business plan
turns out
to be an investment in feincoin
fluffypony: it's impossible because running away with
them is not a loss in
the
truest sense of
the word
fluffypony: "A
TOTAL LOST OF COINS IS IMPOSSIBLE."
jurov: FTFY:
the doctor must have certificate issued by lawyer
mircea_popescu: >I found a way
to generate Bitcoins even faster
then every Miner, in a legal way.
the Methode i use whas checked by local Lawyer and is 100% non illegal. << in general,
the mark of a
trustworthy doctor or medicine is
that it promises
to cure 100% whatever health issue you may have, and similarly
the mark of competent legal counsel is
that
they issue 100% non illegalcy certifications
davout: "verility" <<< being a
true man
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> imo i dont hink btc atm will catch on on
the long run << obviously not. but let
the circus of irrelevancy have
their fun.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah we were joking about
the "shells"
thing
the other day
mircea_popescu: "MPEx is a scam, and
this is one of his shells.
The owner of MPEx has multiple aliases
that he posts boosting his own image.
The first post "Peter Lambert" posted on
this
thread, was a copy paste
they have posted on other security
threads before."
mircea_popescu: uh.
the mother is actually marginally fuckable.
the daughters however...
mircea_popescu: fluffypony
that's right,
this is
the channel of
the minority of people into bitcoin
that aren't also pedos.
☟︎ fluffypony: and we wouldn't want more pedo
talk in here
pankkake: I'd rather fuck
the Bush daughters
fluffypony: Nefario, Ukyo, and
TradeFortress walk into a bar
davout: fluffypony: if mircea_popescu was around he'd probably
tell you it could actually be his best opportunity XD
fluffypony: kakobrekla: maybe he's hoping
to recover enough money
to pay everyone back :-P
fluffypony: kakobrekla: btw railzand mentioned
to me
that
TF has cleaned up his forum sig and now has a BitBet affiliate link in his signature
jurov: HeySteve: it boiled down
to "we must show
them"
HeySteve: what does
the guy's opinion have
to do with ability
to run a business?
jurov: like
that eichmann @ mozilla
jurov: oh. anyway, both cases are still better
that some fag hater
kakobrekla: jurov pankkake is just
trying
to be provocative by being a pussy
pankkake: I don't
think anyone cared for real, I only learned about who was on
the board with
the various scandals
davout: pankkake: "and I'd rather have a child rapist
than a litecoiner anyway" <<< lmao
pankkake: I'm not sure what makes you
think
that
kakobrekla: does it make a difference if you piss or shit in
the sewage pankkake ?
pankkake: and I'd rather have a child rapist
than a litecoiner anyway
fluffypony: kakobrekla: pay him
to
troll, he's cheap!
pankkake: kakobrekla just likes
to slander
fluffypony: pankkake: we call
them slip-slops...but we call
traffic lights "robots" so South African English isn't much
to go on
kakobrekla: anyway, Luke-Jr now has a buddy
to
talk
to and exchange
the various graphic materials in
the foundation
pankkake: "Chinese-American, he was born in Africa; his entrepreneurial parents ran a flip-flop factory in
the Ivory Coast"
davout: khersonus: BC is not directly involved in X.EUR, however, I do use it
to systematically hedge all X.EUR
trades, so
the
tax/fee link is only indirect
HeySteve: fluffypony, for me it is. if I ever write on
the foundation, I'll use
those lovely scam labels
fluffypony: pankkake: I
think
this is
the straw
that is breaking
the camel's back
pankkake: as if
this guy was
the real issue. and what about
that booby lee fucker?
khersonus: davout: so for your X.EUR future on mpex, if someone wanted EUR
though b-c, should bitcoin-central be paying VAT on
that? (because as far as I can
tell,
there's no fee, so
the
tax wouldn't come from
the fee)
pankkake: meh, caring about
the children.
HeySteve: yeah check
the foundation forum
fluffypony: someone has come out and said
they'll go up
to Platinum
davout: kakobrekla: oh sorry, i missed
that
kakobrekla: they now have a dedicated "post your resignation here"
thread
HeySteve: they're not even
trying any more
HeySteve: this brock guy is
the last straw
davout: we have
the same kind of
thing in france with
the "auto-entrepreneur" setup,
the way it works
though, is
that if you go over
the
threshold you lose
the AE status and are required
to create a different
type of corp. which in practice results in
the same
thing as jurov
jurov: i can avoid it only by supplying an evidence
that whatever landed on company account were payments for services delivered
to outside EU
davout: khersonus: like jurov points out, in some specific corporation setups
there are
thresholds for applicability
jurov: yes,
that's why i wrote 365 days
Apocalyptic: jurov, I believe it's
the running year btw
davout: (only corporations are subject
to VAT)
davout: it's a non issue for non-corporate customers, but it might
technically be one for corporate ones
kakobrekla: usually its up
to end user
to handle
that shit with local authorities