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mircea_popescu: why is this a concern ?
mircea_popescu: but if you don't have capital in the first place
bounce: IIRC there's a bit of a capital requirement for that
bounce: at least residency is enough to open an account
BigBitz: Nobody can have a .ch bank account unless they are a .ch citizen AFAIK.
BayAreaCoins_: I understand the trust issue, I'm in bitcoin too :), but it seems like it would be a nice option.
BayAreaCoins_: Does something like that exist yet?
BayAreaCoins_: Once I had all the shit how I imagine it I'll have one of my nice friends go over it and fix all my typo BS. Deb helped me out last time. Did you see my comment earlier of Offshore paper wallets?
mircea_popescu: benkay there ?
mircea_popescu: either that or grammo
BayAreaCoins_: I've been working on the site and I have to have it proof read.
BayAreaCoins_: ah typo?
mircea_popescu: "and are looking TO SALE please contact us!!!" / "and are looking to sell please contact us!!!"
BayAreaCoins_: Not sure how long you've invested there.
BayAreaCoins_: I had a ad on Just-dice for a while thanks to doog :P
BayAreaCoins_: Snail game is a interesting one... I'm stil learning it. Basically I have this whole side of the world to myself because it is against the law to import live snails into the USA.
BayAreaCoins_: If I ship state to state. The USDA bitches, but if the snails are shipped within the same state. No feds
mircea_popescu: "and are looking to sale please contact us!!!" ?
mircea_popescu: it should, but it could never afford to, so the entire thing is predicated on your not noticing.
BayAreaCoins_: Try to focus on shit that can't lose money.
BayAreaCoins_: I do a number of things though. Sold a business in 2010 and did the college/frat thing. Fucked off since I learned that college should be paying me for the homework I was doing for them
BayAreaCoins_: Ya... I don't have that, but I will.
mircea_popescu: making 100k this week is easy. the branson way :
BayAreaCoins_: I plan on making $100,000 this week and I just wanted to spy a little
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/465465120412680192 just for the lulz
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins_ it's acomment on the general human condition. the toothpick in your ear hurts you more than the tree up someone's arse hurts oyu.
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> because it's something being put into something else << the royal society for putting things on top of other things
BayAreaCoins_: Like the gold guy in South America... like 50bil to 4 in a year :-\
mircea_popescu: no it couldn't. my own fate is the worst.
mircea_popescu: i was worth like > 1bn earlier this year, nao moar like a third that.
mircea_popescu: i thought you meant debentures, equities and whatnot.
davout: mircea_popescu: you could include physical exercise in the mix
BayAreaCoins_: feel free to tell me to fuck off
BayAreaCoins_: mircea_popescu So does that mean you will take the chance of floating your coin to fiat for a price fall or do you hold strong and long
mircea_popescu: davout i already am a terrible french person i mean
mircea_popescu: davout but think about it, customer can set their own desired calorie per serving
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins_ in earning most of our bitcoins we mostly focus mostly not losing the bitcoin we already have.
davout: you would be a terrible french person
mircea_popescu: open a restauant which only serves foods which can be consumed at such a temperature that their overal caloric balance is nil
davout: "offshore paper wallets" <<< you could ipo that on bitcoinbourse
davout: BayAreaCoins_: i'm not completely unconvinced that bitcoin is part of some sort "if we fail we're not going to let china have it" kind of move
BayAreaCoins_: I'm pretty sure my government likes BTC anyways... not going to link it to terrorist any time soon.
BayAreaCoins_: Slide show is like when the pictures change every 5 seconds (it was a joke)
fluffypony: who would like to "rake" my "yard"?
BayAreaCoins_: hear there is already a alt out with a slideshow wallet.
fluffypony: just wait till they start hiding their stuff in the blockchain
davout: fluffypony: it's refocusing on pedo tho
fluffypony: Bitcoin is even being investigated as a terrorist threat
davout: jurov: i'll drop this line of jokes right here
jurov: well, that fits too
jurov: lol.. actually i cannot hoard. money itches to be put into someone else
jurov: what's "fiat type of guy" ?
BayAreaCoins_: jurov a fiat type of guy or trying to square away a corner of a market?
jurov: BayAreaCoins_: i don't think i'm focused squarely in earning most bitcoins
davout: my card is old but i'm definitely doing it for the new one
davout: pankkake: that'll leave you some to wrap your head in :D
pankkake: davout: nice. maybe I won't have to wrap my wallet in tinfoil after all
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins_ few that join ever leave.
BayAreaCoins_: Google chrome took a shit on me. Just kinda nosing through y'alls chat and your books.
davout: how to disable the NFC chip properly -> http://korben.info/comment-desactiver-le-nfc-sur-sa-carte-bancaire.html
BayAreaCoins_: mircea_popescu In SF right now, but I have a house or two in Arkansas too.
mircea_popescu: you got that spiffy salt-water-on-rope internet where you live BayAreaCoins_ ?
Apocalyptic: I've seen him often in the JD chat
mircea_popescu: lol this guy
Apocalyptic: <bounce> IIRC switzerland too. // indeed
bounce: the key's from a rather small keyspace I'm told. ie, reasonably crackable.
davout: mircea_popescu: nah, you can't "just use the stripe" here
mircea_popescu: davout you can actually syphon a lot of data off the new us passports w/o any contact
davout: bounce: the passport is secured in a different way, it needs some sort of joint optical + NFC read to work
bounce: IIRC switzerland too. too many countries don't, though.
mircea_popescu: davout well so just use the stripe.
bounce: really should make a nice app to scan and read whichever tags it can see
davout: mircea_popescu: french cards have them but they are seldom used
mircea_popescu: davout they no longer have the magnetic stripe ?!
bounce: these things have been stuck into passports and id cards (that you're required to carry in a number of countries) too
davout: mircea_popescu: if the NFC chip is embedded in the card chip you're fucked, that's prolly not the case tho
mircea_popescu: good reason not to use cards at all.
Apocalyptic: well, they did it anyway, and told me you can't get it without anyway
mircea_popescu: so can you just punch out the chip or what ?
Apocalyptic: when I filled the form, I specifically told them I do NOT want NFC
Apocalyptic: davout, it's worse than that
bounce did acquire reader kit a while back, not much in the way of tags to fsck around with though
davout: Apocalyptic: they all have it by default now in france too
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> davout yeah there's a reason nfc is sort-of dead if yet unburied. // I heard now you can't order a Mastercard or Visa card without NFC these days
bounce: usb stick thing then.
davout: mircea_popescu: ^ "i can't wait to have it all setup and have a casual PAN-harvest stroll in the crowded parisian subway"
mircea_popescu: davout just go on the metro.
davout: bounce: i ordered a SCL3711, the range is probably extremely shitty
mircea_popescu: bounce i don't even know. i don't actually know anyone that uses payments off a smartphone.
bounce: what's the latest in nfc dongles then?
davout: i can't wait to have it all setup and have a casual PAN-harvest stroll in the crowded parisian subway
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mircea_popescu: davout yeah there's a reason nfc is sort-of dead if yet unburied.
davout: but i can totally imagine that it has been discovered much earlier
davout: yeah, that stuff is circa 2012, pretty much the same time range than that other guy's disclosure
mircea_popescu: it's rife with it, i don't think i have the original source nor reallyt that one exists. shit's tyoo braindamaged, too many people figured it out
mircea_popescu: was that guy skora or w/e with the android app a coupla years ago...
davout_: i find stuff about mobile devices, but nothing in that range about the fact that the data simply lies unencrypted on the card with its legs wide open
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