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jfw: Not as yet; first priority was
to make it public, see if
there was any interest
jfw: Yes, well server or other
text-only usage. It is awkward.
mircea_popescu: isn't it awkward
to not have lamp ready in
that context ?
mircea_popescu: so
this'd basically be a server
thing, by its nature, rather
than a general purpose os
jfw: I would
think it's 1, as perhaps
the driver could be made
to work with massive compatibility layers but
then
the distro wouldn't look much like it does now.
mircea_popescu: in case 1, you know for a fact it won't be possible
to have gfx with your
thing, it has
to be
thrown out / redone /
the
thing
that can do gfx can't carry
the same name as your
thing meaningfully.
mircea_popescu: "well... is it loyal ?" not really. "how about having children ?" actually, i
think she might be already pregnant.
mircea_popescu: man 2 comes and says "hullo... i have anothe rsolution. i call it 'a virgin'. she's a bitch
to get along with, but..."
mircea_popescu: you can't have children with a dog, it is necessarily out of
the question.
mircea_popescu: "well... but is it loyal ?" quite very loyal. "how about having children ? i
think i want chilndren
too".
mircea_popescu: man 1 comes and says, "hi, i have a solution
to
this. i call it 'dog'. it's very companionable."
mircea_popescu: so, someone says, "i want companionship in my life".
this is
the general problem.
mircea_popescu: do i have
to
throw out gales if i decide
to use graphics as a given necessity or don't i
jfw: I expect
that'd be quite difficult, its libGL is a glibc-based .so
jfw: I've built a basic X stack (no 3d accel) on dynamic-linked musl,
the biggest uncertainty
to me
there is whether it'll work static since it's module-oriented
mircea_popescu: so as a purely
theoretical exericse, what'd gaining x support entail iyo ?
jfw: Using stock kernel.org kernel, but sure
there's RedHat code in
there
jfw: tweaking
the 'menuconfig' is what
that would look like as far as kernel components
mircea_popescu: this is what i'm asking, what's
the extension process like
mircea_popescu: traditionally
the problem with private distros is
that one day someone
tries
to install int on some new hardware mix-and-match and it dun go
jfw: so, was not originally intended as
training
tool I
think is what I'm saying.
jfw: I've found it quite usable for
things like
trb node, airgapped gpg machine, basic VPS (though no LAMP stack presently)
dorion: mircea_popescu I'm present as well, able
to fill in where needed.
mircea_popescu: so it's basically a
training
tool, as far as
that goes, a didactic example
jfw: dorion and I have a few consulting clients
that are learning linux/unix for
the first
time. We use
the distribution ourselves for niches it's able
to fill, and we considered it a good learning environment due
to avoiding various complexities
jfw: It's a Linux distro I put
together, in a couple stages, based on gcc 4.7, musl, busybox userland, exclusively static linking
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 07:09:11 mp_en_viaje: aite, send him over when he wakes, we continue
this convo.
diana_coman: in other lolz, I contacted yet another local dc and
the guy went
to read my blog so I pointed him
to
the rundown on it; rather curious now what'll he do, lolz.
mircea_popescu: the republic can't be used in ANY OTHER WAY. eminently, it CAN NOT be used as ANY KIND of "how
to stay stupid" guide. nor will
this fundamental inadherence ever be capable of being
turned around, "oh, mp is a meaniehead, stupidity is where it's at". nor ANYTHING other
than
the intended fucking purpose.
mircea_popescu: the point of
the republic is for you
to look at how stupid you are AND STOP BEING IT.
mircea_popescu: da fuck's next, mod6 's patented "let's pass a gpg'd
tarball back and forth" ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:48:38
trinque:
totally fine by me
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:47:13 mircea_popescu: suppose you
talk
to both fellas here about
the
thing, i wanna follow along
mircea_popescu: so
try and get off your nonsense horse for
the like
third
time
this year, learn how
to meaningfully communicate AND DO IT, we might have something here. but in any case
the something we will have will NOT be linear extension of
the alf shit. i ain't ever again doing anything like
that.
mircea_popescu: half-ass commitments, plausibly-deniable commitments &
the whole charade of alfisms are no longer something i will accept -- for
the sore experience of how poorly it works when i do accept
them.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:32:29 mircea_popescu:
trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have
to do is run
the
two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete
through
the
tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 09:30:33
trinque: mk, "manage lobbes and spyked
to make s.mg an OS" except don't do
that at all, and also manalone bois and etc.
mircea_popescu: what, it's only
the republic when it pays, otherwise it's "mp's folly" or somesuch ? a lot less of
this in
the
mircea_popescu: as an aside, i very much dislike
the ambiguous relationship
to
the republic, along
the lines of "check out my son, he got 1st prize in drag racing" / "have you heard what your son's done, he got himself expelled!!!"
traditional intramarital passive-agressive idiocy.
hanbot: mircea_popescu huzzah,
ty!
trinque: mk, "manage lobbes and spyked
to make s.mg an OS" except don't do
that at all, and also manalone bois and etc.
mircea_popescu: * pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu :is now your hidden host (set by services.) << fucken nonsense, i never noticed before
tey fucked my name.
mp_en_viaje: i really don't currently see
the payoff for putting work into making it static
diana_coman: the additional
thing
there being also
that some of
the deps are really system dependent at least so far so
they'd need
to be extracted (if possible!) as static libs
themselves and bundled up and by
the end of it I'll probably end up with
tmsr-os I suppose.
mp_en_viaje: i don't imagine we'll be able
to ditch autoconf in principle, until many years later, many years AFTER
tmsr-os is a
thing
diana_coman: yes but where
the fuck does one start from
to figure out which parts are actually needed and how
they interact?
mp_en_viaje: this was a horrifyingly bad idea of
the "oject oriented" crowd, back in
the late 90s.
mp_en_viaje: listen, most of
that is ditch-able, because we have little intention
to support open-ended "plugin" style architectures.
diana_coman: and moreover, it checks
to see which cs deps are available because part of issue with cs is
that it doesn't even have a clear list of deps: it depends what plugins and what
they want
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:47:54 mircea_popescu: so i suppose
this is
the first actionable we unveil here : ima want an estimate on a) how long
to divorce dev server from cs ; and b) how long
to move client cs on cuntoo.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: re
moving cs I had a look in more detail at
the situation
there:
there are 3k lines of autoconf script
to start with;
this looks for all sorts and
takes care of various cases including differences (re where is what) between linux distros
diana_coman: this is why I didn't mention it earlier really; because
there are still some
things
to sort out first.
diana_coman: basically
they still need some
time
to publish now what
they didn't all
this
time and only
then we can discuss in more detail really
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: re "his clients",
they are meant
to write up and publish by
this Sunday
their existing business plan and whatever other related documents
they have.
mp_en_viaje: crystal space was made in
this manner. internet explorer (all versions) was made in
this manner.
the original firefox was made in
this manner, and
then retired in
this manner. and everything .
mp_en_viaje: because for
their sins computers were born after
the capacity for serious activity died in
the esltard. so it's all comicon all over, "this is some doodle i made please don't hate me" psychoweird.
mp_en_viaje: the problem here is
that EVERYTHING -- meaning, ~~~EEEEEEVERYTHING~~~ is rather a "homework" exercise
than any kinda serious effort.
mp_en_viaje: not a very good one, for instance can't easily
turn fuck you, world. into fuck you, world! -- but still, it's a FULL script
mp_en_viaje: nfi what
that means. echo "echo 'fuck you, world.'" > script.sh produces a script
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-05 diana_coman: but hm,
that does sound overall more like your own practice room
to know-more-linux
than anything else
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-05 diana_coman: but at any rate, what's
that Gales Linux exactly and how/in what way different from Cuntoo? where/what are your problems
there?
mp_en_viaje: i can't imagine how
tmsr-os would work such
that a package one wants
to import wouldn't require some diddling
mp_en_viaje: aite, send him over when he wakes, we continue
this convo.
diana_coman: because any new package one wants would require someone
to write
the script for it
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: from what I
talked
to jfw so far (he still has
to write it up but
there's a long list
there of write-ups for him
to do!), he made his own distribution with his own scripts for package building; he has it in production in
that he uses it for his clients afaik but it doesn't seem
to scale well
the way it is currently
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman,
tell me about
this gales
thing ?
mp_en_viaje: anyway, moving on : ave1 what's your lamp shenanigans consist of specifically ? anything substantial enough so
that you can retroactively cure your failure
to document it such
that it might persuasively argue for your qualification
to lead
this effort ?
diana_coman: fwiw my
take so far is
that
trinque wants
to provide consultancy at most.
mp_en_viaje: let it be until such a
time we can find someone qualified
to own it. same place
trb is waiting, and so on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 03:51:20 diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is
this going
to diverge
then ie
there's cuntoo and
then
there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as
to directions; for
that matter and for
the forum,
there's in principle also jfw's
Gales distro if we are at
that; I'd rather see
the effort focused and coordin
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950564 << my only
take-away is
that
trinque does not want
to own
the
tmsr os. whether
this is because ye olde manaloning & etc silly habits of boihood are just
that hard
to break, or for whatever reason. i can't quite discern, seeing how he
talks little and mostly besides
the point.