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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He already became a Northern Hemisphere problem. Also landed in
the other hotter, drier (zebu cattle) guay.
mircea_popescu: cool.
the only
thing is... i'd like a distant server. where do you currently host ?
lobbes: Alrighty, good meeting. I've my
takeaways of
things
to knock out. Will keep mircea_popescu apprised
lobbes: oh oh , you DID add
the hourly delimiters
tho
mircea_popescu: i don't
think seconds are meaningful, irc is not resolvable
to a second resolution anyway
lobbes: but I don't mind adding if you want.
This is your
thing afterall
mircea_popescu: this is stupid, if mp-wp becomes
the de facto platform we'll be stuck with
timeless logs. ;/
lobbes: yeah, no
timestamps in orig spec iirc
mircea_popescu: and also... fuck. no
timestamp at all, i actually came up with
thsi shit ?
lobbes: so yeah, not much work but I just need
to
tweak
the 'conversion'
lobbes: what I mean, is
that output
takes input directly from IRC and
then does
the formatting. Not like it is reading local logs I have saved
mircea_popescu: i
thought we had a discussion re formats at some point, was gonna bold names and whatnot. was it in my dreams ?
lobbes: it posts
the raw IRC lines
to
the blog article as it sees
them, yes
lobbes: yeah, I have my logger, which goes back
to (/me goes
to check)
mircea_popescu: yes but how is
the bot gonna post going forward ? you already have
that converter don't you ?!
lobbes: well, my logs
to
the mysql db
lobbes: ah gotcha, okay in
that case I'll need
to create some log converter
mircea_popescu: you hafta, i mean... i haven't been keeping local logs since
travelling etc.
lobbes: well, I mean
the 'new' logs wouldn't start until bot is live anyways.
mircea_popescu: ok. as a preliminary step, ima publish old logs on
trilema, so
they're in
the db, so
they get
transferred automatically.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: I'm good
to begin installation if you do get box. I'm still looking into getting proper "echo of blog lines" created, but
the rest of
the bot is ready
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: he seems
to just need someone
to commit
to ownership of
the
thing he did, lolz
diana_coman: it's ok, "we have"
the manpower waiting
to commit
there and all it
takes is just someone
to commit
to ownership.
lobbes: but I'm open
to suggestions
lobbes: mircea_popescu: well, I was under
the assumption you'd get a box with a
trilema copy, and
then I'd stand up bot on said box
mircea_popescu: bvt, once done fixing
the kernel rng, you wana join in
this fray by
the way ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu jfw dorion diana_coman lobbes:
thank you for
the clean, clear, logs
lobbes: re
tmsr os, so it seems we have manpower waiting
to commit; just need someone
to commit
to ownership
lobbes: mircea_popescu: how would you like
to
testrun? If you just want
to play with
the demo connected
to my
testblog, I can simply bring
the bot into #t sometime
tonight
diana_coman: at
times further fed by
the sort of despicable "muh secretz" expert, ugh.
mircea_popescu: otherwise
there's significant risk of
taking
the maniacs at
their word.
mircea_popescu: only as a
temporary measure if anything. help
them build a solid basis upon which
to properly disdain
the engineers.
diana_coman: fwiw I wouldn't shoehorn anyone into more
tech; maybe
the opposite, if anything.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, if worst comes
to worst i guess ima have you manage
this for 'em.
mircea_popescu: and both ave1 an'
trinque have qs pending, so
that completes
tonight's session.
jfw: hehe.
thanks for
the
time & feedback
mircea_popescu: i'm not about
to shoehorn him into
the wrong hole if i can help it
mircea_popescu: jfw, hey, it's a free slavery
thing, people can do
their own part
mircea_popescu: spyked, what sorta
time could you commit on a weekly basis, if
this
tmsr os megaproject actually gets going ?
jfw: I do
think
that would play more
to dorion's strengths & interests
though I've certainly appreciated his efforts in learning
tech
dorion: mircea_popescu
thank you.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, how long
till i get
to
testrun
that delivery!!! i'm leaving for
the orient in a few weeks you realise!
mircea_popescu: there;s oodlebunches of work in a large project
that don't involve scrutinizing arcana
dorion: right now I'd
take
the former because I
think I'd be more useful in a shorter period of
time.
mircea_popescu: i
think either line can be pursued, either we attach you
to whoever's in charge as an administrative
trainee or else you get piecemeal
tasks on
the
tech side.
dorion: mircea_popescu I
think my strength at present it more on
the pm side and communicating
to non-technical people why
they should
take interest in sane computing. Part of my role has been bring people for jfw
to
teach. With
that being said, I am interested in improving my
technical skills.
jfw: mircea_popescu: nothing coming
to mind.
jfw: my schedule seems pretty packed at least
through
the end of 2019, perhaps at
that point I could make something like 20 hours per week, will have
to consider
mircea_popescu: dorion, is your interest rather in
the pm side of
things ? or are you
tryina learn how
to code as well ?
mircea_popescu: i was rather gonna ask what you feel comfortable with on
the mid
term
jfw: good
then. Is
there a particular level of
time commitment you're looking for on
the OS project as far as manpower?
mircea_popescu: i'm
trying
to work something out re both ownership and manpower.
jfw: My understanding from earlier cuntoo
thread is someone needs
to step up
to *own*
the project;
to be clear, I doubt I'd be prepared for such a
thing right now, but yes it works for me
to work with other people.
mircea_popescu: well, so would an arrangement whereby you work with other people
to develop a workable
tmsr os work for you
then ?
mircea_popescu: how long have you
two known each other ? with dorion i mean ?
jfw: I've committed fully
to diana_coman's mentorship, a big part of which is because I want
to be useful in
the republic generally.
mircea_popescu: so what is your commitment
towards
this
thing ? kinda like a fun weekend project, or what is it ?
jfw: I don't dispute, and am here
to work
towards sanity & killing stupidity.
mircea_popescu: if 1% of 1% of
the million can be convinced
to be fucking sane,
that's already enough people
to finish
the damn
thing already.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i don't give
the first flying fuck how many retard bois "get upset" or whatever,
the demons/voices/their mom
tells
them
to choke on chodes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 03:51:20 diana_coman:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is
this going
to diverge
then ie
there's cuntoo and
then
there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as
to directions; for
that matter and for
the forum,
there's in principle also jfw's
Gales distro if we are at
that; I'd rather see
the effort focused and coordin
mircea_popescu: if
there's one million engineer bois out
there, and if
the destiny of an engineer boi is
to make an os, worth 100k man-hours, and if
they never
talk
to each other,
the result will be 7-800k empty boxes containing no os, but
three
to four figure wasted hours.
dorion: mircea_popescu point
taken,
thank you. jfw reviewing
the contract, Gales Linux is described as your original software, but I don't know
the legal standing of
that claim.
mircea_popescu: counting ave1 s putative item,
this promises
to be
three not-quite-usable, not-so-published identical reworks of
the same damned
thing.
jfw: well, I already had my
thing working and
thought myself
to have other priorities
jfw: I looked over
trinque's blog posts about it but have not looked inside.
jfw: ty mircea_popescu, underscores
the importance of getting it published.
mircea_popescu: not
that
this generally does anything. but it's also never a bad idea
to be plain with people.
mircea_popescu: dorion, yes, well, i'm not young hands ; and i'll
tell you what anyone in a similar position will
tell you : code made
to oder and not published is generally suspect of being, at least in
the view of some party somewhere,
their property.
jfw: people can claim
things, but
the facts as I understand
them are
that I developed
the system on my own, and
they did not purchase any ownership in it.
dorion: mircea_popescu at
this point, we have high
trust with
those it's been shared with. we're young hands in part because we're unclear about
to properly approach such problems.
jfw: dorion, do you recall if
this is possible based on what we wrote in
the consulting agreement?
mircea_popescu: so you know, come 2025, is
there some durbles gonna show up "oh, gales was really developed by outside help for my corp!!!"
mircea_popescu: it's not an idle question on my part.
there's actually reflected in
the very history of
the republic as logged,
the case of some dude showing up years later
to push ridoinculous claims. look for grubbles sometime.
jfw: I see.
They don't know enough about
the code
to meaningfully own it, and afaik
they know
this.
mircea_popescu: i asked you if ~they
think~
they own
the code, not if god does.
jfw: source
tarballs,
though
there's a
TRB
too.
mircea_popescu: what, you delviered
to said customers a bundle of v-patches /
jfw: as I understand V, he who operates
the computer owns
the code
mircea_popescu: and so
the customers who've paid and you've delivered code
to, were
they basically doing what's caled it consulting in
the us, ie, outsourced desk jockey
to skimp on
the pension & benefits plan ? do
they
think
they own
the code you've delivered, for instance ?
mircea_popescu: but is
this a registered corp ? or some kind of informal arrangement among friends ?
jfw: they've paid, and I've delivered code. It's not public in
the sense of not published on web
mircea_popescu: so when you say customers or w/e, is
this more of a manner of speaking ?