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benkay: ;;google bitcoin web of trust
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assbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: if you get in the WoT somebody might rate you and you can voice yourself.
mdev: just wondering, why is it so hard to talk in here
asciilifeform: given the track record, one almost imagines they'll jump in the pot voluntarily, so long as it's the fashionable thing to do.
BingoBoingo: Have to distract them from the biodiesel with make work until they are needed.
BingoBoingo: Hard to say. I imagine people who still brush these things off will be learning Forth in the Coal mines within a decade
asciilifeform: how many idiots with miners sitting on tor (why? ask them, not me)
asciilifeform: they will see to it that as much of the turd as possible lives on, remains ubiquitous.
BingoBoingo: The dung beetles are already parting the shit castle and rolling it away in those shitballs as they do.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i know this. the lazy will pay.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The OpenSSL problem is deeper than SSL sucking as so many shitpiles just reuse their functions for other crypto applications
assbot: OpenSSL Releases Bugfixes, Advance Notice To Some Vendors But Not OpenBSD
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140605202211 << the pill against this, as has been abundantly obvious for months to anyone who gives half a shit, is to take ssl out to the back of the shed and shoot it.
assbot: Cleveland Politician Proposes Tying Stadium Money To Wins
kakobrekla: Last Block: long time ago < lol
BingoBoingo: I believe these were mentioned in the logs earlier today. This bite from the drama llama I haven't seen shared yet
assbot: OpenSSL Releases Bugfixes, Advance Notice To Some Vendors But Not OpenBSD
ThickAsThieves: something occurs to me as i reach chapter 45 of Anathem - this is basically a quantum mechanics debate mapped over the story aspects of star wars
ThickAsThieves: I was smart enough to choose an A name
ThickAsThieves: i like how ATC is at the top
Naphex: ciacada's 3301 go shake your tymbals 011011000110111101101100
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 659.12, Best ask: 660.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 660.5, 24 hour volume: 10635.05141923, 24 hour low: 639.69, 24 hour high: 669.63, 24 hour vwap: 655.63550343
punkman: totally makes sense to have "no" in the stoplist
mike_c: url = "reporting required". title = "no reporting required"
mike_c: uh, who the hell wrote that URL / title combination?
ThickAsThieves: for those of you who recall our tax conversation while walking around romania
assbot: IRS Says No Bitcoin FBAR Reporting This Tax Season Required | newsBTC
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 661.0, Best ask: 662.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 661.0, 24 hour volume: 10829.52791365, 24 hour low: 639.69, 24 hour high: 669.63, 24 hour vwap: 655.562141616
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
Mats_cd03: north koreans shouting ones and zeros into telephones have better uptime
mike_c: why? i've heard good things previously.
pankkake: that's one of the reasons to use journaling filesystems
mike_c: hm. hard drives do the same thing though. write caches and what not.
mike_c: pankkake: what do you mean about the storage lying to you? you mean about whether data has been committed?
benkay: yeah it's a thing
mike_c: plus, i can't shoot my hetzner box in the head at will.
asciilifeform: i've caught myself wondering if a 'cloud' company which explicitly promises to steal and use your data for whatever purpose, might be even cheaper.
mike_c: benkay: link? i don't see dedicated hetzner's for less than $800 a year
pankkake: the overpricing isn't all that bothers me. it's the usual ignorance, for example not knowing "cloud" storage is usually lying to you
benkay: to throw fuel on the 'cloud' fire.
adrrr: k thanks
adrrr: Hi, I received my piper wallet :) but wrong electrical outlet, maybe a specialist could advise me about the place to find an adapter (France) ? ty
pankkake: "He started to threaten all our wives and children, name by name" this is indeed like the forum
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: The futility of your efforts on Bitcointalk http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/09/overdose-victim-mutters-dont-give-me-narcan-as-medics-arrive-on-the-scene/
asciilifeform: must be pretty rought to be one of the many ragnar danneskjolds on the net. everywhere you go, no one gets the reference.
assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Medicine by committee
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Highlight of the Loper comments probably has to be "Don’t make the mistake almost all engineers make: believing that the evolutionary tree of technological possibilities is trimmed by a benevolent gardener, rather than torn up by a mindless storm. Leaving not the most viable and fruitful branches, but a fairly random selection of the thickest."
BingoBoingo: EFF seems to suffer from the librarian view of technology, hard to tell if they are stooges or unaware.
mike_c: "But at present, the microscope again and again goes 'clang!' against the table, the nails slowly and crookedly creep inward, and tiny shards of the world’s finest lenses fly in all directions."
mike_c: this line cracks me up every time
asciilifeform: https://www.eff.org/torchallenge << add eff to stooge list ?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Not all. A lot of the homebrews can pick them up through poor hygiene allowing undesirable flora to produce them.
benkay: BingoBoingo: are these sulphurs in all beers?
BingoBoingo: benkay: There are reasons I prefer distilled spirits. There are a few sulphur compounds that are too... unpleasant to be tasted if it can be avoided. (most wine avoids this problem. I imagine this is because the prefered flora producing fermentation are more civilized).
kakobrekla: so thats why we couldnt smell davout over fanny
asciilifeform: hope there are no btc sniffing dogs << laugh, but i bet some bozo is working on ferreting out 'kulaks' through pheromonal sensing of one kind or another. fellow who walks around knowing he's loaded, probably can be smelled, in principle
BingoBoingo: It's a mundane problem of human stupidity abusing the human capacity for intelligence. I'd definitely call the venture Augustinian.
jurov: usd shiffing dogs? bah. i hope there are no btc sniffing dogs next year
asciilifeform: (for smart-arses who answer, 'this won't work with a language having a full numeric tower' - the answer is, we can tear the paper off your abstraction by analyzing timing)
benkay: <BingoBoingo> Especially all of the "craft beers" that are born the same place place as Busch lite, Coors, and Miller. It's also a field where... Neigbhors producing fould products in the basement is increasing. // in the beer case, that 'fould' is far superior to that coming out of the mass-produced garbage
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: here's a good educational example of how the founding premise of crap computing, 'you can abstract over complexity', is a lie: http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/hbaker/hakmem/hacks.html#item154
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah, I've been rereading early loper and looking back at the urbit groups.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: urbit is actually a great example of what happens when some bozo thinks he can substitute mathematical trickery for understandability
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: problem is mundane/human rather than mathematical. excess complexity makes everyone who is trying to 'swallow' a discipline (or particular engineering design) stupider. quite like tying weights to a marathon runner.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you might be thinking of this: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd differ with you on the Godellian problem of 70's crapola being exotic.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: urbit is drowning in its own shit, just like every other software project which clings to the ubiquitous 1970s conceptual crapola. nothing exotic/godelian about it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: "I have a suspicion that the entire scheme is vulnerable to Gödelization." << I like how you raised this in 2010 and the problem of this in Urbit has only grown...
asciilifeform: if it was one of the (rare) fpga clusters, it might've been interesting.
diametric: not sure when it took place but the report was published today it seems
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unless you're in a justified hurry, just burn the platters.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm telling you if you minimize the pcb content of the fire it isn't any worse than the smell when other locals burn yard waste. Also hotter fires produce less smells.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: barrel fire with disks << don't do it near folks you want to stay on friendly terms with.
BingoBoingo: ^ Something like that
gribble: A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/14/a-proper-barrel-fire-a-secure-way-to-dispose-of-data-storage/>
gribble: Lammers Barrel Factory - Environmental Protection Agency: <http://www.epa.gov/region5/superfund/npl/ohio/OHD981537582.html>; Fire Hydrant Operation and Inspection - Acrp.com: <http://www.acrp.com/downloads/dso4.pdf>; Fire hydrant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_hydrant>
BingoBoingo: The brother once tried making a pear cider instead of a beer with te standard industrial grain. It revealed the small off taste in his product for a while was an enterococcous which could finally thrive on something other than shitty grain. He did not take my advice for cleansing his setup after that episode.
mike_c: i disagree, boston is too cold.
asciilifeform: i tasted his product, survived.
BingoBoingo: I haven't seen many home brews though that avoid the inadverdent inclusion of undesirable flora in their fermentation process.
BingoBoingo: Especially all of the "craft beers" that are born the same place place as Busch lite, Coors, and Miller. It's also a field where... Neigbhors producing fould products in the basement is increasing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was more thinking of grain products, like beer, bread, etc. Where a rougher cheaper version of the same final product finds itself placed on the shelf as a "premium" good.
asciilifeform: the practical limit for 'shrinkflation' is, i imagine, the point where the pharmacy and its supply chain can no longer compete with your neighbour brewing soap from corpses or whatever in his cellar.
asciilifeform: if you're gonna buy a $10 bar of soap, it might as well be made from weasel fat if you go in for that kind of thing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd guess that this kind of thing is driven by ordinary consumer product shrinkflation, rather than vice versa
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Let us not forget the US's fauxartisinalflation where the same old crap is fancied up and then marked up (also in smaller packages).
asciilifeform: ^ i've been noticing this for years, evidently not the only one
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BingoBoingo: pankkake: I never proposed anything that old... Everything I supposed is still 64 bit...
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pankkake: well, if you can have the extra security, why not. but I feel like ripemd160 would be breakable before ecdsa ;)
Naphex: its related to quantum computing
mdev: well that seems to be the only argument i've seen, security wise as far as not reusing addresses
mdev: if they have coins in them?
mdev: so they used a weaker alg to shorten the key length, does that mean if the alg they used gets compromised all addresses that have done transactions are vulnerable anyway?
benkay: old hat, this.
benkay: simple solution: top up your hot address from cold addresses infrequently, spend from the hot address as frequently as you want. minimize risk by minimizing coins in the hot, potentially compromisable address.