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mircea_popescu: an email can come from any arbitrary address you wish it
to.
justusranvier: All
the email privacy you could want? You must not want
to have privacy regarding
the fact
that you're sending messages, nor
the recipients of
those messages.
mircea_popescu: you're gonna
tell me
there's no privacy in email either ?
mircea_popescu: cause otherwise
this discussion is exactlylike email privacy. i have all
the email privacy i could want, because gpg
justusranvier: There are better ways of achieving privacy
that aren't quite so fragile
justusranvier: It's
there for people who are extremely careful and make no mistakes.
mircea_popescu: anbd what
throne lol. a bunch of redditards with
ten bitcoin between
them
that keep downloading
the power ranger code ?
justusranvier: Not until Bitcoin Core is dethroned as
the monolopy full node implementation
though
justusranvier: I
think we will get privacy on
the blockchain eventually.
mircea_popescu: much in
the way
the internet has forced
the brits into
their first secret "trial", something
they've not had in about 11 centuries.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the fact
that bitcoin is not actually
traceable, and all
the sophistry of
taint can at most produce persuasion is one of
the largest points of pressure applied by bitcoin
to human society. it may result in
the "reasonable doubt" standard being
taken out.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: because correspondingly, you are forced by cash
to physical interaction
justusranvier: People skilled in
that art can do a lot more, given
the improved access
to information
justusranvier: All of
those approaches you mention for cash only operate on a subset of
the "address space". Graph analysis of
the blockchain can look at
the entire data set, forever.
mircea_popescu: all
the cash
that exists exists. by
this it can be counted
justusranvier: Is
there a USDchain.info where anyone can view every
transaction
that ever occurred with a given bill?
unbalanced: I don't have a lot of hardware is why... at
the
time I was on a Windows machine using a Linux VM. Now I'm pure. Linux.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier "Using
the global public ledger
that allows for multilateral decision making means
that retaining financial privacy is,
to put it lightly, problematic. It’s possible
to achieve, but doing so is a difficult and delicate process where mistakes are easy
to make and also permanent." i don't understand
this part, at all.
mircea_popescu: well
that's kinda how
these
thons work. not enough
time really.
unbalanced: But before I do, I agree MP, I didn't
take not winning
the hackathon badly, I only said my
thing wasn't "good enough" because a) it wasn't all done in
time and b) my math was less
than accurate. Empirically not good enough for anyone
to use.
unbalanced: Not sure if i can get
to
that VM from here. I'll
take a stab.
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: If you did
the GPG guide
that's
the hard part... registering with gribble doesn't hurt at all
unbalanced: Thanks I was
turning blue. justusranvier, nicely done
mircea_popescu: if
the people involved were smarter,
they'd be selling detergent and used cars.
mircea_popescu: this is
to
the conference circuit roughly what porn is
to legitimate acting :
the place failures go
to die.
mircea_popescu: i don't believe
this crap is aptly described as optimism.
mircea_popescu: just go
to
the hackathon as you go
to
the bar, not like you go
to school. it's a social function.
unbalanced: I usually *give off*
the cray-cray vibe when it comes
to Bitcoin. Didn't expect people could outdo me for
tech optimism.
mircea_popescu: on
the other hand, what difference does it make anyway ? not like any human being at an accessible pay grade can judge your
thing anyway.
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unbalanced: Agreed. I walked away from several folks when I began
to get
the cray-cray vibe.
mircea_popescu: on one hand it's completely irrelevant who "judges"
these
things, just like
the people running around begging perelman
to
take
their "award" so
they may say "o we gave perelman an award, please
think we matter" are irrelevant
to math
unbalanced: By
the
time I left
that conference I
thought Bitcoin was a cult of decentralization. Decentralize all
the
things!
unbalanced: It
took place right inside Ethereum HQ
unbalanced: I didn't win a
top place... my stuff wasn't good enough but more importantly it seemed, not "decentralized" enough.
mircea_popescu: people are incredibly arrogant, so a bunch of
them getting hurt badly is good news.
unbalanced: I was at
the Bitcoin Hackathon in
Toronto a couple of months back, and DJ was a judge.
mircea_popescu: "vcs", "entrepreneurs", "consulting", "conferences", "startups", "deals", "investing" and so on and so forth
till you're bored.
mircea_popescu: byut anyway,
the circus is
the circus.
this is why we call it
the circus,
this is why we despise it,
this is what it does.
justusranvier: Anyway, a lot of businesses
trying
to get involved in Bitcoin got some bad advice from him. Some of
them did ask around for second opinions
though, and avoided
that particular pitfall anyway.
mircea_popescu: a collection of
three idiots does not become a startup
through
their declaration
to
that effect, in my view.
justusranvier: What's sad is
the number of Bitcoin startups
that were
taking advice from him.
mircea_popescu: Many knowledgeable observers called
the whole
thing a success. Irvine’s
team wound up with
three million in BTC after all. Ryan Galt, an investor who blogs as
Two-Bit Idiot, noted
the “pump-and-dump”
that happened but said
the number one
takeaway was
to make sure
to get in early when a “hot new coin-related startup announces a crowdsale.” “You better be ready
to buy
the second it goes live,” he wrote.
justusranvier: To my untrained eye, it looks like certain people got a unhappy with DJohnston using
their reputations without
their consent, so
they kicked him out of BitAngles into his own sandbox.
mircea_popescu: cause when you go "let's do
this
thing
that'll make our worthless
turd look valuable"
that's what you're doing.
mircea_popescu: Jacob Farber of Perkins Coie who advises Bit Angels wrote, “It seems pretty clear
that
there was no intentional market manipulation.
The question is whether
there was an ‘appearance of market manipulation’, or an ‘unintended market manipulation’.” <<< it's pretty obvious
that
there was quite intentional, and quite fraudulent, market manipulation.
mircea_popescu: “All issuers selling securities
to
the public must comply with
the registration provisions of
the securities laws, including issuers who seek
to raise funds using Bitcoin,” said Andrew J. Ceresney,
the SEC’s enforcement director in a press release. “We will continue
to focus on enforcing our rules and regulations as
they apply
to digital currencies.”
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mircea_popescu: We
took advice from
the US lawyers via BitAngels and also local lawyers in Scotland,
mthreat: mircea_popescu: anyway his name is
tomas, if you go by
there
diametric: should read scrollback, i'm assuming it was
the
topic for a while
mircea_popescu: so im fishin' in rift an' shootin' da breeze in -assets. what better lyf is
there.
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mthreat: actually i
think he said c32, which i didn't even know existed
unbalanced: Got partway done months ago in one of my VMs, I'll have
to dig it up. BingoBoingo's
tutorial was a good help.
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gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in
the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered
to receive ratings.
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mircea_popescu: "
The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind
the performance of Bitcoin should not
take away from
that."
mircea_popescu: <dub> but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64 << i had one of
those
too
kakobrekla: USD when comparing it over
time.
The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind
the performance of Bitcoin should not
take away from
that. We've still managed
to outperform more
than 99% of
the other
things you could have spent your BTC on. Silver for example was $28.50 on our IPO date and is $19.50 now, yet I don't see you
trolling silver dealers on here.
kakobrekla: It is
true
that Bitcoin outperformed Nasty Mining. Bitcoin had an amazing 2 years of growth and was exposed
to billions of people. However, funds invested in Nasty Mining were spent in USD on items
that are valued in USD. In fact, pretty much everything is valued in USD (or your local fiat currency), which is why BTC is valued at
the conversion rate at
the
time of
transfer
to any real organization. It only makes sense
to value Nasty Mi
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> btw i never had
the 'wolf & eggs.'
too l33t. borrowed from kid next door. <<
that kicked ass
dub: no storage so you input
the game in basic and had
to do it again when your mom made you
turn it off