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mircea_popescu: One thing to note is that, generally speaking, a Bitcoin/altcoin mining operation is strictly profitable from a fiat perspective. Anyone who thinks they’re profitable from a BTC perspective needs to take a cold, hard look at the data for the past few years, and needs to couple the historical data with the inevitable delays when pre-ordering mining equipment. << this is quite true.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But expensive things with niche uses when less expensive more general purpose tools of quality are available is the American way!!!
mircea_popescu: fluffypony btw that article is quite useful
mircea_popescu: god help you if you have to use the thing indoors tho
mircea_popescu: i suppose the wanna-be cool dorks love it because it's so BIG and it looks JUST LIKE IN TH MOVIES OMAYGAWD
BingoBoingo: Pretty much anything not specifically designed to prevent it working, with exception as defined by the laws of physics (mountains, clouds, the sun...)
mircea_popescu: i guess it'd work on anything short of a tank
BingoBoingo: Also works on trucks
mircea_popescu: the army mostly uses it to blow up explosives iirc
mircea_popescu: i had no idea they used the barrett as an anti-personnel device on the streets of the asphalt jungle
mircea_popescu: Mark Serbu told us, “I refused to sell my rifles to the NYPD, and when I talked about it online, it blew up like crazy. Everybody liked the idea of a gun law biting the government on the ass. There are only two manufacturers of semi-automatic 50-caliber rifles in the US, and neither will sell to the NYPD. This is like, ‘Screw you, New York.’ People are less safe without our rifles to protect you.
mircea_popescu: luckily we have years of amassed history and discussion to establish what competence/experience are, what they do and how they look like.
mircea_popescu: quite contrary to that derps claims.
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, that completely disqualifies thyem from any sort of experience or competence in the field
mircea_popescu: "by investing in this company you're buying chunks of a dollar-denominated investment, because they mostly plan to sell your bitcoin and pay off fiat costs."
mircea_popescu: o well say it like that then
fluffypony: having fiat-denominated expenses is not in and of itself bad, but they're going to sink virtually the entire amount into fiat costs up-front
assbot: How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business
fluffypony: but they're reliant on the exchange-rate-at-the-time costs are due
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: in other words, if they were paying staff and rent in Bitcoin they could present a business plan with amounts in Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: fluffypony " Given how reliant this company is on paying backend costs in fiat" I don't follow this part.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to. // yeah they could at the expense of roughly half their USD reserves
mircea_popescu: or wait, was that, they're planning to actually send congress a budget at all, like required by law ?
mircea_popescu: over about the same timeframe
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic they're also planning tobalance the budget
Apocalyptic: so it's too soon to tell how it's going
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, in the meantime i read that they are planning to get 50% back to frankfurt in a matter of seven years or so
mircea_popescu: "They have something better than WOT. Real names and real business experience." ahahaha help me rwanda.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: I wonder how much US sent them back so far << the us had more sense than to put a clause in there that the matter is to be judged according to frankfurt law.
mircea_popescu: moiety: what will happen next? <<< probably us court will try to confiscate various argentine assets in various countries, further straining its relations with the world.
mircea_popescu: Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to.
mircea_popescu: that's the definition of self limiting
mircea_popescu: pankkake well, it's finite see. the only way they can do something stupid in the first place is by giving it away
mircea_popescu: luckily that tends to be a self-limiting problem
mircea_popescu: the stupidity of people holding bitcoin is the one thing that can hurt bitcoin (as evidenced by say the pirate debacle, or by the fact that a million fucktarded stoners managed to give the usg a gift of 20k ish btcs)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic that's a problem, yeah.
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, "Additionally, don't confuse the possibility of them being fiat profitable with them being Bitcoin profitable" too many derps don't distinguish between the two and will generally eagerly settle for the former
jurov: "it was pretty hard to not reach a positive ROI by now with most asics." this doesn't have anything to do with mp
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I dared to mention that a WoT presence might be a good starting point
fluffypony: well I had my say on the thread
mircea_popescu: the archetype of the neobee being, of course, that antonoderpulous guy.
mircea_popescu: these schmucks have sunk in the research and classifieds the typology nao.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony neobee TYPES mind you.
pankkake: "their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven" => same was said about kslaugther, presented as some rock star entrepreneur and engineer (when he was neither)
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
Vexual: plus token white dude, dollar exchange, mining, stock market
Vexual: the prospectus has anxpro on a cg container, are they affiliated?
Vexual: but it smells like catpiss and the cat is technique
Vexual: and it'd be timed exactly right if not for the 3-6 month deployment time
Vexual: looks like havelocks answer to ghash
moiety: because technical ability stops you running off with peoples monies
fluffypony: "aving been in communication with these guys a bit I can say that they are definitely not NEO & BEE types. These guys definitely know what they are doing and they have proven that they can deliver since they have already done so. Unlike many offerings, their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven."
fluffypony: gotta love that group due diligence
fluffypony: so now everyone is rushing to verify that this is "nothing like Neo & Bee"
Vexual: no wonder that guy sells for big money
Vexual: those suits sent to ny will do well to slow proceedings
assbot: BBC News - Hidden painting found under Picasso's The Blue Room
Apocalyptic: I wonder how much US sent them back so far
Vexual: nothing a few thousand men couldn't scratch off the surface in a month
Vexual: i guess they owe germany gold then?
Apocalyptic: the 2 funds in question are indeed owed 1.4, but this settlement will trigger payments to others funds too
Apocalyptic: Vexual, apparently it's more like 15 bn in total
Apocalyptic: to "discuss" the matter with the judge that ordered them to pay
Apocalyptic: apparently they sent a couple of lawyers to NY
Vexual: yeah i read that 1.5 bn
Apocalyptic: so Argentina is refusing to pay some US hedge funds some settlement on their debt
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Mats_cd03: 21:29 <•TheNewDeal> gribble quit it with the ">;" crap << your client sucks, mine parses it correctly
trinque: benkay: that makes me think govt control of BTC is hard to avoid
asciilifeform: benkay: related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja9OGmaGwoo << translation: 'who is stronger? elephant, or whale?'
cazalla: knc bet might just get there heh
asciilifeform: miner... delivers << still seems analogous to... if toilet paper were always shipped lightly-used.
mircea_popescu: knc kinda delivers don't they
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assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014 :: 1.3 B (62%) on Yes, 0.81 B (38%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 day| weight: 91`228 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: I WAS BUSY THAT MAY DAMNIT
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla o look at that, 179:144
TheNewDeal: faack gotta go to sleep
TheNewDeal: so does that 51% have to occur over a week time period?
[]bot: Bet created: "A pool will have at least 51% of the Bitcoin network" http://bitbet.us/bet/950/
moiety: i thought so too TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com << he's like the mike_c of mining
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell organofcorti nice site btw
moiety: most people don't watch memento the full way through or complain it doesn't make sense either
TheNewDeal: or lack attention spans that last 120+ minutes
TheNewDeal: was great the first time, good the second, ...
TheNewDeal: and inception returns to mediocrity after you watch it a couple more times
[]bot: Bet created: "Suarez to stay at Liverpool" http://bitbet.us/bet/949/
moiety: how on earth did that man get the two confused
assbot: We Need to Talk About Kevin (2011) - IMDb
moiety: oh nubbins`, i watched quite a few films when i was internetless. This is really good: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1242460/ (also shutter island and inception but i think i'm the only one in the world who hadn't seen those yet)
asciilifeform: philosophy of building with own hands >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji4t6QQn8KM << english translation in 'show more' tab
moiety: this cow needs some time in the park
asciilifeform: dovetails nicely with the discussion of recombinant cocain-excreting e.coli.
TheNewDeal: most definitely the latter
asciilifeform: can't dig it up in nature? build. unless we have hands solely to jack off with.
nubbins`: i've seen one of those in person
asciilifeform: even should it be necessary to genetically diddle goats to obtain said beast
nubbins`: the meat is so tasty