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ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-11 20:24:11
trinque: I'm
thinking you and he could
turn
this into a proper consulting gig if
they like what you produce, and I'm happy
to manage / advise such an endeavor.
trinque: I'd like
to chat before any of
this, and come
to an agreement on how we work
together
trinque: I'd like
to approach
this in phases, documentation preceding every phase's work product.
mircea_popescu: yes, well, with all
that context a whole different
thing!
trinque: also fuck not acting because
tomorrow
there'll be even better icecream
trinque: but it's just not further
than speculative, and I don't want people chasing after it
trinque: it's a derivative of something I've used in embedded machines for a long
time, and I'm seeing if it can be made into an adult OS
trinque: it doesn't supplant using gentoo any
time soon.
trinque: I am working on
that other item, and I was
telling
the guys *not*
to worry about it for now.
trinque: if
that's possible, it opens up kids
throwing
the
thing into w/e school computer, like we used
to do with quake back in
the day.
mircea_popescu: not necessarily. a dvd is what, coupla gb. a recent client could just pack its data disk
there.
trinque: this I am willing
to actively manage spyked and lobbes
to produce, if
they will. others also may apply.
trinque: k, so
this is little else
than creating a signed
tarball of
the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb
that can unpack
that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a
try-all-modules kernel.
mircea_popescu: the idea is
that
the client runs on its own responsibility, asks server for all items it dun have.
trinque: meaning
that you can't play in
there, just install
trinque: k, so not much fun
to be had in
the livecd.
mircea_popescu: lots would persist on
the disk. keys, configs, and
the data cache.
trinque: gpg keys? assuming
the kid gpgs on same machine
trinque: what is it
that would even be persisted
to
the disk?
trinque: the cuntoo bootstrapper I produced was misery in
that it either produced a booting drive, or fuck you peasant, learn moar.
trinque: I
think it's beneficial
to have
the
thing able
to run as a livecd, with option
to install.
trinque: walking
through
the list of firmware one needs for
these isn't insurmountable. I've got a radeon box sitting here
that runs cuntoo
mircea_popescu: in fairness, game as it stands works fine w/o acceleration anyways. so it's a lot more portable in practice
than
the
theoretical extension.
trinque: so
this is nvidia, radeon, and intel drivers
trinque: so
the
target is a
tower of some kind a sharp kid might have, or be able
to build
trinque: I'm just marking off
the limits here
mircea_popescu: the notion browsers are portable is a lot like
the notion women are whores.
trinque: taken
to
the sad extreme, one could argue
to
target
the browser
trinque: efi complicating
the shit out of
things
these days
mircea_popescu: i have no problem with "Boot from it". but it hasta boot. which... is not
trivial, given one wants
to support 3d gfx.
mircea_popescu: the idea is
to construct funel
towards republic, so he needn't be dumb. but he might be new
trinque: so
then oldschool boot cd, and you can play from it, and you can install if you want?
trinque: this is
their first exposure
to an adult operating system?
mircea_popescu: if i knew of something giving a leg
to stand on i'd push it, but atm got nothing
there, so yeah
trinque: I wasn't proposing using actual steam, but
the approach, which probably would still suffer from what you say.
mircea_popescu: ie, at any given moment some significant percentage of hw configs are unsupportable, and
there's ~no way
to predict which.
mircea_popescu: it will half
the
time "upgrade" itself into unrecoverable broken state.
mircea_popescu: i don't even mean
this in any kind of
theoretical sense, i've been
testing it.
trinque: yep, just enumerating. what about bundling
the necessary libs alongside. afaik
this is what steam does, static linking for idiots
mircea_popescu: it's actually
the broken glass we're
trying
to extract
through all
this process.
trinque: considered statically compiling
the whole game, and letting
the kids run wherever, or not desirable?
trinque: obviously
the latter is
the ratfuck, multiplied if ya don't specify hardware.
mircea_popescu: there's
two portions current minigame strat needs from os.
there's a server os, which has
to be static-linkable.
there's a client os, which has
to be portable and support gfx.
trinque 's last signal reads " diana_coman, pls
to
tell me what
the hell you intend
to do with
this
thing"
trinque: if it does, I'm gonna keep going "what
the hell's
the plan for money coming *in*"
mircea_popescu: or one could just you know, chip at it and signal with others
to help.
trinque: if it doesn't matter, one needs less self-involved shits
than myself.
trinque: it is hard from where I sit
to reconcile
this "the work must be done whatever
the cost" with any sense of survivability. so one says either
the latter doesn't matter, or one's
to fill
that gap himself.
trinque: heh, where's
the quote where you say if you're worth a shit, being poor just kinda brushes off.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 16:59:38 jfw: dorion and I have a few consulting clients
that are learning linux/unix for
the first
time. We use
the distribution ourselves for niches it's able
to fill, and we considered it a good learning environment due
to avoiding various complexities
mircea_popescu: now, as
to
the putative customer approach : i dun specifically want
to make a new os for every single app we come up with. i'd like
to make one and be done with it, such
that minigame can use it,
trb can use it, everyone can fucking use it.
mircea_popescu: i dun
think you're a lazy man. currently i
think you grew up in a house with a lot of door slamming as a rhetorical device, but
that's really neither here nor
there.
mircea_popescu: trinque,
there's large gaps between what's actually said and what you construe what's said
to mean on
the uptake ; and
there's similarily large gaps between what you actually say and what you expect it
to be
taken as, on
the rebound.
trinque: yes but
they don't remain ill defined, lest years be spent
toiling in
the wrong direction, or circles.
mircea_popescu: anyways. all jobs are perpetually ill defined.
that's why
they need doing. if
they were well defined
they also would have been done, past
tense.
trinque: the last
thing I said on
teh subj is for
those
two gents
to interview
their potential customer and find out what
they want, and report it
to me
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:32:29 mircea_popescu:
trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have
to do is run
the
two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete
through
the
tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 13:51:42 mircea_popescu: and as
to
the "bois etc" -- is very well fucking earned.
the logs since
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 ie a week ago are sorely missing a "trinque: yeah, I WILL DO
THAT". or an equally clear, "no, i won't do
that".
this is what separates
the bois from
the men : FIRM committments.
mircea_popescu: i don't
think we're
talking on
the same basis here. i dunno how your "omg, faggot, do actual work" maps on
the actual occurence.
trinque: and yes, I'm not doing
the monastic
thing. I went on about
this ad nauseum with much rustling of jimmies.
trinque: I came in offering
to mentor both lobbes and spyked in starting a business, and
this is "omg, faggot, do actual work" ?
mircea_popescu: and i dunno what
the gap is! make it plain, what is it, what's
the difference between whatever
this is and whatever a business'd be, an' pinpoint
the allergy neh ?
mircea_popescu: if you're asking me, i
think it means willing
to do work at arm's length.
trinque: and why are you soviets so damned allergic
to structuring
things *like a business*
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 10:51:30 diana_coman: fwiw my
take so far is
that
trinque wants
to provide consultancy at most.
BingoBoingo: ^
This should cover
the debts and customer equity.
This leaves
the auction completion and shareholder equity following from
that on
the
to do list.
deedbot: BingoBoingo paid
Thimbronion 0.0198
BingoBoingo: Aite, bunch deedbot
transactions coming
through!
lobbes: kk,
that'll be
the next item I
tackle
then
lobbes: mircea_popescu: ok, is just putting it on my
testblog for now acceptable?
mircea_popescu: lobbes, so,
to be practical here : put
the log you have
through
the works,
then we can see ot ?
BingoBoingo can't recall a single log day with
this much signal and so little noise
mircea_popescu: not like you're not gonna be stuck maintaing
this forever anyway, so... migh as well :D
lobbes: mircea_popescu: I can't see any reasons why not. Sure
thing. I'll reach out
to
them
lobbes: mircea_popescu, I'm currently using
colocation america but
the jury is still out on
them imo.
They are very responsive and accommodating, but I'm only renting a server from
them (have not
tried actual colocation)
BingoBoingo: If he was headed
this way, Mexican embassy is close but he probably would have just stopped for asylumn here until at least March when
the new government swears in