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BingoBoingo: pankkake: Honestly
there is only one way
to investigate such claims
pankkake: looks scientific enough. I'd
they less
than 90%
though
pankkake: Quoting numerous recent red head studies published in
The Lancet,
the ASA did confirm
that red heads do in fact have souls,
the carpet matches 90% of
the
time, most red heads hate when ‘red headed slut’ shots are ordered for
them, and yes
they
truly are amazing in bed.
assbot: ASA Updates Algorithm
to Account for Red-Heads | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
moiety: just a creepy weirdo in
the extended family i have never met Mats_cd03 rather just block it
than cause problems
assbot: ITAR-TASS: Economy - Russia wants
to replace US computer chips with local processors
assbot: Detroit activists call for UN help as city shuts off water for
thousands | Al Jazeera America
BingoBoingo proposes an excelent exercise for anyone wanting
to
test
their organic chemistry knowledge, cleaning another person's bathroom.
moiety: meh command not found a million
times
moiety: scrap
that
think i got it
punkman: "We feel
that Jersey is perfectly positioned
to become a cryptocurrency-friendly jurisdiction. We’ve got a very highly-regarded finance industry with world class AML/KYC expertise."
moiety: kakobrekla:
thank you. i got it but i have no idea how
to install. i
think i'm a lost cause
BingoBoingo takes a smoke break,
tired of inhaling strange
assbot: bit.coin.je -
The Jersey Bitcoin Portal
assbot: Noonee -
The Chairolution - YouTube
moiety: yeah mum picked it up when mine broke not knowing anything about phones. facebook for vodaphone
thing
moiety: can't even block n umbers for calls on
this
moiety: yeahthis wee
thing can't do it asciilifeform
kakobrekla: on android you can go step beyond
that so
the caller will get a dropped line
moiety: asciilifeform: it's only one number
though, i don't want
to miss other messages
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm
telling sharpie in
the pooper... blackmail... peace
moiety: its
texts
that are
the problem so far
moiety: mines not an android but rather
than change my number i
thought i would just get an android. i like my number but i cant get rid of
this creep
moiety: can you block numbers entirely on android or just filter
the
texts
to some inbox you never go into?
assbot: Great /DLind cardstack on
the recent wave of child migrants coming
to
the US
to escape violence in Central America.
http://t.co/AHt2wdLXy3 BingoBoingo: Scammers rarely compete with hard
targets
though when
they can spz. an advantage.
BingoBoingo: The right choice should only have
to be
Tradefartress vs. Dooglus. Not Dooglus vs. politically correct mathzors
BingoBoingo: Otherwiase you write off
the implementor as a snake BECAUSE
they chose poorly
Namworld: The owner being
trustworthy only impacts risk of fleeing with users' balance.
BingoBoingo: Namworld: You pick an implementation based on
the choices
the person who implemented it made. If you really want
to roll dice you pick
the most "fair" system.
Namworld: The scheme provided itself is
the reliability of
the site. It either is poor or is strong. Regardless if
the owner is untrustworthy or
trustworthy.
Namworld: it has nothing
to do with implementor's reliability and it has all
to do with hard maths and frequency of verification on
the user's part.
Apocalyptic: "the point I want
to make is his use of
the phrase "powerful encryption".
There is no such
thing.
There's only
two
types of encryption,
that which works and
that which doesn't" // a fact
that still eludes some people
BingoBoingo: Essentially all provably fair schemes come down
to an evaluation of
the implementor's reliability.
Namworld: He says wouldn't CR and JD be able
to cheat by altering provided server seed, explaining exactly what PrimeDice does but CR and JD doesn't...
pankkake: I have a hard
time rembemering faces
assbot: Facelock, an alternative password system, are potentially better
than hard
to remember passwords, study finds.
Namworld: I
think he mentioned at some point
the provably fair system for PrimeDice would be modified for a 4th version of
the website, but eh
assbot: Errata Security: PR will be first up against
the wall when
the revolution comes
Namworld: It basically doesn't provide any verifiable results unless you change client seed manually before each bet. Which is incredibly poor practice. No user will want
to manually change
their secret before each bet and
type a new random string.
BingoBoingo: Right, Primedice's implementations suck in
that it counts on implementator honesty
too heavily
BingoBoingo: Hmmm... -assets doesn't seem as capable of spamming 3rd party sites like it was earlier
this year.
Namworld: I'll admit a 100% flawless system is probably not possible... but
the PrimeDice implementation is far from even being half-right.
Namworld: Because
they'd be cheating before
the rolls with proper seeds provided. Which means
they wouldn't need
to alter bet parameters after
the fact or provide a roll number
that doesn't match
the seeds.
Namworld: With PrimeDice, if you don't change your client seed before each roll, you could verify every parameter after
the bet, see if anything was changed or if seeds match with
the roll. It will check out fine, even if PrimeDice cheats.
Namworld: It's possible
to cheat, but it's noticable. Even if not everyone checks.
Namworld: And it would barely provide any advantage. Unless you only do it for very large bets, but
those are highly likely
to be checked.
Namworld: Yes, but
then even if only a small portion checks
their bets, it would get caught. Even if a site did it only 1% of
the
time, it would quickly be discovered.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.9995 BTC for No on "World Cup 2014: English
to net more
than 6 goals"
http://bitbet.us/bet/939/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight.
Total bet: 4.5986 BTC. Current weight: 66,921.
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Well, a casino operator could "take a gamble" by offering a player a result
to
the player's detriment
that is not provably fair
Namworld: You can't change
to 1.1% without changed
the
target number/giving
the wrong number for
the roll.
Namworld: Because
then rolls wouldn't match?
Mats_cd03: all cheating. what prevents a server side
tweak for 1.1% being switched on and off irregularly
to evade persistent monitoring for cheating in your scenario?
BingoBoingo: "Provably fair" is a
tool
to mitigate
the risk.
pankkake: this has been discussed some
time ago; one solution can be
to use future block hashes as part of
the server seed, however it delays
the result
BingoBoingo: One party is always by
their nature going
to be situated better
to fuck
the person across
the
table.
BingoBoingo: The
thing about "provably fair" is
that like all other
transactions it is an offer from one party
to another.
Namworld: the JD one for investors or
the all cheating is possible
to catch?
Mats_cd03: doubtful
this is a solvable problem
Namworld: In
that case it's possible
to have a system where any sort of cheating will be possible
to catch.
Namworld: I'm
talking strictly users side.
Namworld: But
there's not much way around it.
Namworld: Oh, I mean for players.
That's an issue but only for investors.
Apocalyptic: even in JD's case cheating by dooglus is impossible
to catch
Namworld: Provably fair should imply
that any cheating possible under any scenario is possible
to catch.
Namworld: This is poor because
the system needs
to be so
that a minority checking bets will catch
the cheating for everyone.
Namworld: At least for players
that don't change
their client seed before each roll, which is going
to be
the majority of players.
Namworld: With all parameters/seeds/rolls always matching and not changing, yet obtaining a house edge
that is not 1%
Namworld: The way PrimeDice does it,
they could cheat without any possibility of getting caught.
Namworld: But you can get caught for
that.
Namworld: "Only way
to cheat would be altering bet parameters after
the fact
to keep matching seeds and rolls, which is completly noticable if even a few users
tracks
their bets."
BingoBoingo: Well, "provably fair" offers some room
to choose particulars, but... Can have problems
Namworld: Technically I
think
there's many smaller places
that gives a new server seed before each bet... but
that's a poor system.
assbot: Wanna know
the pwd for
the Brasil world cup security center WiFi nw? It's on
the whiteboard ;-) /hashtag/fail?src=hash
http://t.co/XD6ujqk5nq BingoBoingo: Provably fair should be so far below
the minimum.
BingoBoingo: Provably fair ought
to be
the bare minimum. It is a shame people consider
themselvesserious without it.
Namworld: Yeah, as I said, a properly done provably fair system doesn't prevent cheating/stealing. It just makes it impossible
to do without
the possibility of getting caught.
BingoBoingo remembers
TradeFortress constantly advocating beautiful provably fair systems and just... Running with
the money...
Namworld: It's more
the implementation of
their provably fair system.
Namworld: That's left
to opinion. Isn't bad as far as I care.
punkman: the interface is horrible
too
Namworld: I'm saying PrimeDice implementation is poor.
They could be cheating right now, it would be impossible
to notice, even if everyone verified and
tracked all
their bets.
Namworld: Only way
to cheat would be altering bet parameters after
the fact
to keep matching seeds and rolls, which is completly noticable if even a few users
tracks
their bets.
Namworld: or even better, like Coinroll, use predisclosed hash of daily secret for everyone. Not alterable.
Then client seed is BTC deposit
tx ID, so we don't provide a default seed for
the client.
punkman: was just
trying PrimeDice,
this happened
twice already: I bet, balance updates, bet doesn't show in My Bets list
Namworld: Like JD does.
Then you can spam bet with
the sticky server seed. No problem, no cheating.
Namworld: Like provide new server seed only when asked for and reveal old one.
Then change client seed.
Namworld: There are ways
to do it
that you can just keep betting and even if
the site cheated even only 1 out of 100 bets,
there needs only a few people
to
track a few hundred bets
to start discovering unfairness.
Namworld: The
thing is,
they give a new server seed for each bet. Guess what
they can do if you don't change your client seed before each bet?
Namworld: A
true provably fair system doesn't need EVERYONE
to check and doesn't allow any scenario where a cheated bet is impossible
to notice.
Namworld: because you can still change
the client seed before each bet, making it provably fair.
The problem is if you don't, you can be cheated and it's impossible
to get caught.