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asciilifeform pictures generals nostalgic for 'nam' around table. 'let's rerun! somebody bring a globe, let's pick a jungle'
asciilifeform: it's harmless, unless someone is using a very tight regexp for log urls (as in 'eater' currently)
asciilifeform: if asciilifeform ever figures out how to get a 6+digit usd there, will move in right next to phf .
phf: you ought to consider moving here, or at least coming for a visit. the place is a lot livelier than dc, food is better, girls are prettier, things are generally cheaper, etc. etc. etc.
phf: but the crack got infected, just because it's that kind of area, and by the time i got it dealt with i was in a pre-sepsis state. it took less than a week from a fall to 39.9 120 bpm infection
phf: hurt like a motherfucker, so i had no idea for a while if i broke my tailbone, tore something, or what
phf: well, i slipped at some point and landed badly into a kind of brush covered fallen tree stump
phf: this was actually quite similar, i went off trail in swiss alps, because the path was damaged and i didn't want to backtrack, it was maybe 200m to a parallel route, but the way was pretty much vertical
phf: nah, a crack in my butt
phf: that would've been a lot more glamorous
phf: it's taking a long time, but yes
phf: the approach is from the "illuminated manuscripts" era of tmsr, so i kept all the files as is, but i think i can produce a kako style dump reasonably fast
asciilifeform: the 2012-13 archive loox like it'll need reprocessing, also, seems to be in a very raw (xchat?) format .
asciilifeform: re unusual dc structures -- year or 2 ago, microshit apparently stole, from the l0gz, the notion of submerging dc in ocean. ( at least for purpose of pr, nfi whether in fact sold any rack slots in these. but there was a photoreportage w/ much fanfare . )
asciilifeform: fella also had connectivity problems on acct of a fatwa from 'spamhaus' and similar busybodies
diana_coman: I did a log-search and couldn't find it; ah, I searched in new ones
a111: Logged on 2014-10-20 21:59 mircea_popescu: Once the SWAT team reached the bunker's blast doors, they 'knock' to announce their presence. It is unclear exactly what they say, as no sound is recorded from the surveillance system. CyberBunker is equipped with an advanced Intruder Detection System (IDS), however due to a testing drill the previous night the IDS system was accidentally left in the inactive mode. Two SWAT officers are seen to hit the blast door of th
diana_coman: seems like an overkill for a logger but from all I can find about them I really like those guys www.cyberbunker.com/web/swat.php
mircea_popescu: (hi all from ye olde temeswar. i will be here for a few days, then thurs-ish sibiu and then brasov for the weekend.)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1931140 << might be the best promo for a piece being weritten i've yet seen. defo would reat that then!
BingoBoingo: And right below that: "Keychain helps you to manage SSH and GPG keys in a convenient and secure manner. It acts as a front-end to ssh-agent and ssh-add, but allows you to easily have one long running ssh-agent process per system, rather than the norm of one ssh-agent per login session."
asciilifeform: a.
asciilifeform vaguely aware of a 'funtoo' but never personally touched.
trinque: not even an unreasonable gentoo at a certain time.
trinque: on that subj, going to sit down and write for a bit
asciilifeform: me neither (and if anyone can think of a 3rd variant that i've omitted, plox to write in.)
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm actually all for offering it as a preconfigged variant of rk . my objections were 100% re the traditional variant, where all packets nominally become part of an indistinct outgoing soup via 1 shared ip.
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm 100% through enumerating, lol. will go into read mode for a spell, if trinque has specific 'get this obv. $item through yer thick head!' i will read.
trinque: asciilifeform: I want to have a discussion that takes longer than the enumeration of your preconceptions.
asciilifeform: it'd be ideal use for a 'uci' net, yes
asciilifeform: trinque: and you think this can be done via a 200MB/s pipe in BingoBoingostan ??
asciilifeform: i thought idea (of orig thrd) was re how to monetize a large monolithic multicpu box.
mircea_popescu: sending it from where ? a rk box ?
mircea_popescu: ONLY thing is, gotta talk to people. and tell them "here, is a thing, USE IT!".
trinque: but average derp can install a vpn client by clicking on something.
trinque: average derp has no idea what a box is, let alone what to do with it
mircea_popescu: but this'd be a marked improvement over the stiuation where you got no user at all.
mircea_popescu: in the EXTREMELY unlikely case you actually get a user you don't want, can just rate and move on.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:22:59 asciilifeform: ( and if yer running a vpnism that tries to fulfill promise of 'no logs', you won't even know which user it was on acct of whom the upstream plug pulled )
mircea_popescu: in a word, yes.
trinque: if it isn't a red dot they tap and that's it, they're not doing it. and you have nobody else to farm.
asciilifeform: trinque: what means 'of you' ? setting up packet relay on a leased box aint exactly high arcana
mircea_popescu: "a literate user" is nonsense in this context.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:05:14 asciilifeform: observe that a literate user leasing a whole box, can trivially use it to forward his packets wherever. but turn-key 'service' of this, draws 9000 units of fire for erry unit of profit, by attracting the redditus. there's a reason why all existing vpnisms are honeypots , underwritten by usg moar or less directly.
mircea_popescu: you're allowing yourself to be misdirected. just get the peopel looking for the item called "vpn" in empire universe on a rk or w/e the actual item is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a piece where 'if malpractice suits cost 100,000 $ and chance is 0.1%, procedure aint ever costing anywhere close to 100 $ '
mircea_popescu: by this logic, can't have a cup of coffee. too risky.
mircea_popescu: most people buying a vpn spent 5-10 bucks a month on 12 cents or so worth of usage
asciilifeform: trinque: maybe i'ma tard ? where in free world do i buy for 3 $ the GB/s bandwidth i can then sell to a weev for 3 $ ?
trinque: there's a thread right this moment on one of the heathen pits on which vpn should I use
asciilifeform: trinque: i haven't even touched on the ethical q of whether one ought to help usg herd the illiterate 'weevs' into gasenwagen by peddling faux-'anonimities'. disputing rather the very idea that ~anyone~ actually turns a profit in 'vpnism' other than by cashing cheques directly from washington.
asciilifeform: trinque: dun mistake asciilifeform's pos. for 'it is loathesome, ergo i want no part in selling'. rather, describing why the product only even appears to exist because is convenient bait for usg fish hooks in the 1st place. consider, how could supply a warez bandwidth for people who expect to pay 3 $ / mo ? i dun even know if possible to supply a length of rope with which they can hang selves, for 3 $ !
asciilifeform: trinque: do you recall mircea_popescu's piece where 'offensively stupid poor' ?
trinque: there are not enough yous to fill a bowling hall
snsabot: Logged on 2016-08-07 12:36:39 a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 04:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one point i needed some conductive cloth (the kind with silver strands) for an experiment. to my great surprise, i discovered that there is a large manufacturer in usa, and they do brisk business with folks suffering from precisely the kind of phobia described in decimation's link.
asciilifeform: btw, for n00bz : try some time and actually subscribe to a 'vpnism'. you'll quickly see 9000 spam/day offering other products for the irredeemably-gullible, same as if you order 'colloid silver' or similar snake oil. it's a conveniently-affixed leper's bell on obvious, broad-daylight scamola of erry kind, they trade lists of chumps
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is solidly convinced that vpnism, aka 'hide my ip!1111' derpery, is a fundamentally braindamaged 'solution' to a fundamentally misconceived problem. (to which the 1 and only possible ~actual~ solution is a 100% gossipd-style net which treats the older ip net the way the latter treats ethernet & co.)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 13:20:14 BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wyswl/?raw=true << Their list of gateways shows what one would come to expect from shitgnomes. Clustered around places where USG already clusters their stuff, which... is probably the only way to build a VPN service that offers speed. This means UCI, sucking off the enemy, or a sad indefensible inbetween.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1931008 << for extra lulz, no e.g. ru in the list. ( and in fact whole list consists of a) nato reich b) quasi-satellites, e.g. brazil/india )
diana_coman: but it's a more difficult thing to catch as it were: as above, it's unclear if "no signature" is a sign of "seeking to hide imperfection" or of "no read" or wtf already
BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wyswl/?raw=true << Their list of gateways shows what one would come to expect from shitgnomes. Clustered around places where USG already clusters their stuff, which... is probably the only way to build a VPN service that offers speed. This means UCI, sucking off the enemy, or a sad indefensible inbetween.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I should have said: what if I get negrated for having signed it while it still contains a mistake/something I overlooked; basically a too-perfect-vision of it or how to put it
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is that a negative ?
mircea_popescu: but that's the fucking gain. "o look, i made a mistake".
diana_coman: asciilifeform: lolz; but leaving the examples aside a bit, it seems to me that there is currently a lack of incentive to signing; basically people perceive it more as a liability (perhaps: I signed that and...what if I'm wrong/made a mistake??) than a gain;
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:08:42 asciilifeform: trinque: that being said, mircea_popescu's 'uci' is prolly closest thing to 'sane vpn'. but not exactly in scope of piz, we dun have a fleet of 1e6 pwned boxen or anyffin of the kind.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930847 << This is my understanding of the VPN thing. It's a market that demands Germany's subway tunnels of fiber because folks want to eat all the torrents they can through them.
mircea_popescu: fwiw awstats is iirc a perl script
diana_coman: well yes, that is pretty much a given as soon as one starts doing useful stuff; but it still implies that signatures on *other people's* stuff are back of the queue while at the same time you see lack of signatures on your stuff as "nobody reads!"
mircea_popescu: but this is a good thing!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 07:37:57 mircea_popescu: NOTHING interesting turned up. i don't mean, "low five figures' worth of interesting". not a benjie's worth. feeding the-horde-that-expects-to-be-fed is not merely -ev. it is 0ev.)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 07:32:56 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930831 << yes, but there's WAY the fuck better payoff for that "week or two" of effort than wiping a pizarro disk
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 07:35 mp_en_viaje: in other "optionality/failure" lulz, i'm re-reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/ because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).
trinque: and I'm using a namesilo too per your recommendation, great service!
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 07:35 mp_en_viaje: in other "optionality/failure" lulz, i'm re-reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/ because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 07:35 mp_en_viaje: in other "optionality/failure" lulz, i'm re-reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/ because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).
mircea_popescu: and lemme say i can't recommend namesilo enough. they turned out to be exactly the needed pill, but their bitcoin integration is actually so good, it interfaces with deedbot directly!
spyked: mircea_popescu, agreed. it's also what newton et al. used as a method and what academia could (I guess) have been if it hadn't devolved into the current shitshow.
mircea_popescu: yes, it is true, illo tempore, in ages long past, with expensive paper process, this was a useful approach. but today, it is counter-productive.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 00:28:22 trinque: it's not IRC trivia that drives me away from you lot. it's the bizzare godman worship with *no intent whatsoever* to put in the work to make a red cent.
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930885 <-- imho the right thing would be to eventually steal "everything". i'ma definitely do that for hunchentoot, tho I expect it'll take a while, given that I keep stumbling upon binaries and utfisms in these coads
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930866 << you wanna have a cuppa coffee in timisoara sometime this coming week ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:22:59 asciilifeform: ( and if yer running a vpnism that tries to fulfill promise of 'no logs', you won't even know which user it was on acct of whom the upstream plug pulled )
mircea_popescu: NOTHING interesting turned up. i don't mean, "low five figures' worth of interesting". not a benjie's worth. feeding the-horde-that-expects-to-be-fed is not merely -ev. it is 0ev.)
mircea_popescu: (yes, believe it or not, i ran a "all films reviewed on trilema" server for like... a year. to see if anything interesting happens. major pipe and everything, came to high four figures all told, mostly hardware, soem sweat to get it up.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:50:19 asciilifeform: atm bar is set scandalously low. pretty much anyone can format hdd (or subtler vandalism) of a shared linux box he has any form of acct on, with week or 2 of effort.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930831 << yes, but there's WAY the fuck better payoff for that "week or two" of effort than wiping a pizarro disk
diana_coman: ave1_away: well, the build script requires all sorts so it makes sense to have as genesis a complete starting point if possible
diana_coman: sounds clear and a firm starting point to work from at least
diana_coman: sounds like a very restful break at least
ave1_away: I'm thinking of going here by car next year, wich would make us a lot more flexible
asciilifeform: ( and if yer running a vpnism that tries to fulfill promise of 'no logs', you won't even know which user it was on acct of whom the upstream plug pulled )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:57:09 trinque: I'm not addressing whether he actually needs a VPN, but how hard is it to take p crypto and make a VPN?
asciilifeform: trinque: that being said, mircea_popescu's 'uci' is prolly closest thing to 'sane vpn'. but not exactly in scope of piz, we dun have a fleet of 1e6 pwned boxen or anyffin of the kind.
asciilifeform: observe that a literate user leasing a whole box, can trivially use it to forward his packets wherever. but turn-key 'service' of this, draws 9000 units of fire for erry unit of profit, by attracting the redditus. there's a reason why all existing vpnisms are honeypots , underwritten by usg moar or less directly.
asciilifeform: there's defo a... market, for vpnism, just like there is a market for 'mail drops' to relay goods bought with stolen cc's, etc. just not clear that it's a market you'd want to be involved in.
trinque: I'm curious whether there's a market for the VPN item. gets the republican network layer paid for, if so.
asciilifeform: trinque: principal difficulty re 'vpn' is 1) it's a fundamentally dumb product 2) attracts nuisances which reliably draw fire ( spam, frontal baitings of usg , etc ) 3) reqs ridiculous amt of pipe
trinque: I'm not addressing whether he actually needs a VPN, but how hard is it to take p crypto and make a VPN?
trinque: my dear old dad never once asked me whether he needed a server, but he has asked me whether he should have a VPN