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trinque: mircea_popescu: heh I don't mind; am merely setting expectations
mircea_popescu: <trinque> as if I don't have enough going on :p << hey, in my spare time i'm designing a fucking game. up to my neck in, of all things, mysql!
trinque: as if I don't have enough going on :p
nubbins`: potential for wasted effort if the chosen os won't fit into eeprom down the road
nubbins`: but afaik there's no reason, say, gentoo wouldn't fly
danielpbarron: ascii was looking at netbsd for a time; there was some bug where it couldn't see the nand, plus we discovered nasty things about netbsd in general
mircea_popescu: wasn't the bulk of that "how to load the os on it" ?
danielpbarron: but the dynamic bitcoind wouldn't work on it; this may be resolved with the "new bitcoind 32 bit"
mircea_popescu: it can't, it has no 32 bit support.
mircea_popescu: "which happened to run on a magically garbage collected computor that doens't exist anymore"
nubbins`: the avionics systems haven't failed since last time, so we're pretty sure it may be fixed
mircea_popescu: they think "it may be fixed" because "anectodally" it doesn't seem to have displayed the behaviour.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that doesn;t apply : this is pre leveldb
danielpbarron: well i didn't start it from scratch; I copied .bitcoin from the sata one
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron everything's becoming obsolete eventually. but no, this isn't that.
danielpbarron: i was lead to believe that getting it to work on 32 bit wasn't that big of a deal, just low priority
mircea_popescu: shit. don't tell me the pogos are 32bit ?!
danielpbarron: idk if this also means it won't work on pogo or what
thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
danielpbarron: it didn't exist at the time
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron because static didn't work because ?
danielpbarron: i think another unsolved problem is that we don't know how to compile a linux kernel that works
danielpbarron: easier yes, in that i don't know any alternatives that work yet
danielpbarron: and then later i found a guide for debian, but the bitcoind was still dynamic and wouldn't work on it
nubbins`: nobody who can't follow some simple instructions to flash nand down the road and reclaim their SD card is gonna buy one anyway
danielpbarron: good to know there are other options; i woudln't mind supplementing my income
nubbins`: and i wouldn't call myself, y'know, outstanding
danielpbarron: the shortcoming is it's using ArchLinux, doesn't boot from eeprom, requires a great deal of user setup to get working
mircea_popescu: i haven't seen asciiart technical drawings in documents since the 90s.
ascii_field: gavin or whoever - isn't he a full-time dev for turdation ?
mircea_popescu: o it doesn't ? why not ?
ascii_field: neh just something that isn't guaranteed to kark its breeks after 40min
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mod6 what do you two figure is a realistic timeline for "bitcoind version that doesn't allocate memory without checks and so doesn't crash in THAT particular way" ?
danielpbarron: i wouldn't mind gentoo
ascii_field: haven't tried personally
ascii_field: i would do it pro bono but haven't the time
danielpbarron: i don't mind paying someone to do it, but i probably can't afford whatever that kind of work is worth
ascii_field: if i could quantify it, it wouldn't be nondeterministic, would it
mircea_popescu: you can't postpone everything until everything else just like you can't have everything louder than everything else.
ascii_field: you can't get it without the extra bells & whistles
ascii_field: and don't forget the steel heat sink in there
ascii_field: doesn't cost any less than a normal computer
ascii_field: if it is anything like the training version of 'strela' (man-portable surface to air rocket from ru, whose manual was discussed in here a few wks ago) the training variant lets you lock onto and track a target, but doesn't fly or explode.
Adlai doesn't know about this specific one
mats: i can't explain it.
cazalla: the only downside to es.qntra.net would be that it won't benefit from the mother, a subdomain is essentially a brand new site (in the eyes of google)
ascii_field: jurov: the rpm signature entry isn't yours by any chance ?
ascii_field: ^ i won't spoil the riddle here
mats: i didn't know that
trinque: I wouldn't know
danielpbarron: so then the argument is "don't use iphone at all" which is a much more sensible argument
danielpbarron: the only software ecosystem that matters is right in here and i don't see it getting harmed by us paying for a gps app on our phones
trinque: saying you can't escape
danielpbarron: i don't care about the principle of the thing -- that a text input without cruft should just come with the thing
danielpbarron: but seeing as how i have this stupid iphone, i really don't mind paying 1 to 10 USD for an app that actually works as described
danielpbarron: the better argument may be "don't use the kind of device that has an app store" or something
funkenstein_: don't let it happen again ok?
trinque: funkenstein_: openbsd doesn't come from an app store
danielpbarron: yeah i really don't mind paying for nice things, software or otherwise
ascii_field: didn't 'feel good' about it though
danielpbarron: isn't Waze free?
nubbins`: funkenstein_ problem is, i can't get much of a GPS app written for $8.
ascii_field wrote one long ago, never published, wouldn't do it again
ascii_field: but guess what, a modern italian can't go around proclaiming 'civis romanus sum' to any useful result, either
ascii_field: danielpbarron: the vibe i got was 'why won't they lick my boots, whatddayamean it isn't 1890 and i'm not a brit'
ascii_field: i still don't get it
pete_dushenski: lol funny you should mention marrakesh, i was actually going to go to morocco instead of jamaica but didn't have the 2-3 weeks needed to make the haul worthwhile
pete_dushenski: i don't mind westjet, their staff are quite well trained
pete_dushenski: haven't flown porter yet.
pete_dushenski: this is assuming it wasn't hacked, shot down, etc.
pete_dushenski: i guess cutting costs from air travel has consequences. who knew you can't race to the bottom indefinitely.
nubbins`: sure, but doesn't mean automatic handjobs for the guy who doesn't scoop fly guts
pete_dushenski: except they don't!
pete_dushenski: if it were, jamaica wouldn't be worse than marakesh
pete_dushenski: i don't see that harassment, jostling, or whatever you want to call it is effective
nubbins`: but they don't
nubbins`: and i'm saying that whether NIST is complicit or incompetent doesn't matter
asciilifeform: i'll emphasize that it isn't a 'won't work in the cold' so much as 'entropy relying on sram effects degrades ungracefully'
nubbins`: i'm at the 49th parallel, and i wouldn't be able to use one of these things outdoors in the winter.
Adlai: nubbins`: my eyes aren't that far apart
Adlai: so nothing, just sharing an effect i wasn't familiar with before
nubbins`: too bad you can't light cigars with these things
asciilifeform: and that whatever else we conclude, the fella who wrote hearbleed doesn't get to say 'oops. i promise i won't do it again. now let me write some more critical code'
asciilifeform: when ever man and woman who ever worked at nsa dies under torture and doesn't say anything about dual_ec - then i might believe 'mistake'
asciilifeform: hell, we don't even have 1% of the kgb archive.
asciilifeform: if the paperwork is missing - it isn't like we have all the usg archives on display!
mats: but i don't see that this is the case here.
fluffypony: thestringpuller: mistakes don't always stem from incompetence
thestringpuller: isn't there that saying, "Road to hell something something good intentions?"
asciilifeform: this doesn't even require very much support
nubbins`: all american internet traffic flowing through an NSA closet in an at&t building -- it can't be true
mats: look, i'm putting my skepticism on the record. if there was evidence, it'd look like 'Tor Stinks' or the slides from Der Spiegel's work on the Belgacom pwnage. i'm not saying that Dual_EC_DRBG doesn't have obvious flaws or that anyone should continue using it, but my skepticism regarding it being an intentional backdoor remains
nubbins`: the usa invading a foreign country on 100% false pretenses, it can't be true
nubbins`: the gasenwagen, it can't be true.
asciilifeform: once you amputate your vestigial 'this can't be true' organ, you are left with only your understanding of the physical world to go on
nubbins`: i think the overwhelming amount of justification triggers a "this CAN'T be true" response in a lot of people
mats: its always bogeymen, can't have serious discussion
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'
nubbins`: didn't schneier advocate windows as an acceptable PGP machine?